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Codename V's Rant

Started by Cain, July 15, 2007, 03:02:14 PM

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BumWurst

I reckon the Watchmen film is one of those apocryphal, intractable projects which everyone likes but which is almost impossible to make - it'd have to be a four-hour marathon to do justice to the story. Mind you, the same criticism was leveled at LOTR, which I rather liked...
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nurbldoff

Quote from: Cain on August 05, 2007, 11:50:42 AM
I actually liked Dostoevsky too.  Early on in the books, to be sure, they can seem boring, but it usually works its way up into something quite extraordinary.  Should have written an autobiography though.  His real life was incredibly fascinating.

Moore must be doing alright these days as well, I suspect.  V, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Watchmen in the works.

At least for "V", I seem to remember that Moore didn't want anything to do with the movie and didn't recieve any royalties. He's not even credited I think.  Compared to "League", "V" was actually pretty faithful, so it seems likely the same goes for it.

He's a really productive guy though, so I don't think he's exactly starving.

I actually hope they won't film Watchmen. It's just too good to be messed up.
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Cain

I heard he didn't like some of the changes to V, but I would have presumed he did well from the film.  If not, at least the renewed interests mean his actual works are doing well.

As for Watchmen, Clive Owen could pull it off, I reckon.  He plays amoral and cunning quite well.

hunter s.durden

Quote from: LMNO on July 30, 2007, 05:14:22 PM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on July 15, 2007, 03:49:53 PM
I'll put V and Watchmen up against anything Dostoyevsky or Joyce wrote.


Hold up.



Miller might be the better word-crafter, but he has always been fairly black and white.  Even though V was supposed to be an anti-hero, you knew he was working for the forces of Good against the facist Evil.

Sin City is another example.  Even Marv, the self-admitted psychotic killer, is no more morally depraved than Russel Crowe's character in Gladiator.

While Miller's stories might be more enjoyable, Dostoyevsky's characters were much more nuanced, and promoted much more internal speculation over motivation and psychology.




LMNO
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*sigh*
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faust

QuoteTogether, with his wife and their lover, the three of them set up their own comic books company, "Mad Love Publishing", in 1989. Unfortunately things did not go to plan; Mad Love Publishing suffered several unforeseeable setbacks, and Phyllis and Deborah left Moore to live together, with his two children.
:lulz:

I really don't like the initial script I have seen for the watchmen, a lot of the key parts of the ending are changed.
I really wish Darren Aronofsky had gone ahead and started making it David Bowie as Doc Manhattan.

eighteen buddha strike

They changed the fucking ending?\

Hollywood must really have it in for Allen Moore.

That One Guy

They didn't just change the ending - they RAPED the ending. I thought the movie (before I read the original) was pretty good other than the horrible ending that seemingly ignored the rest of the movie's message. Then I read the original, and was APPALLED at how badly they fucked the ending that was in the book. Had the Wachowski brothers just used the ending from the book it would have been great - but Nooooooo ... they just HAD to fuck it up.

:tgrr:
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Darth Cupcake

Quote from: That One Guy on August 08, 2007, 08:48:53 PM
They didn't just change the ending - they RAPED the ending. I thought the movie (before I read the original) was pretty good other than the horrible ending that seemingly ignored the rest of the movie's message. Then I read the original, and was APPALLED at how badly they fucked the ending that was in the book. Had the Wachowski brothers just used the ending from the book it would have been great - but Nooooooo ... they just HAD to fuck it up.

:tgrr:

They had to make it warm and fuzzy and appropriate for the Amurrican public who wants a happy ending.

Also, Natalie Portman's British accent. Talk about butchering... :lol:
Be the trouble you want to see in the world.

Cramulus

I don't consider that a warm and fuzzy ending


also: I don't consider V a hero. He rules, but he's certainly not a "good guy"

faust

Quote from: That One Guy on August 08, 2007, 08:48:53 PM
They didn't just change the ending - they RAPED the ending. I thought the movie (before I read the original) was pretty good other than the horrible ending that seemingly ignored the rest of the movie's message. Then I read the original, and was APPALLED at how badly they fucked the ending that was in the book. Had the Wachowski brothers just used the ending from the book it would have been great - but Nooooooo ... they just HAD to fuck it up.

:tgrr:

hah, oh my. I did not find the V ending that bad other then all the faces, you REALLY wont like the changes t the watchmen.


Payne

The faces did add a certain je ne sais quois to the ending.

I shat myself.

Cain

Quote from: Professor Cramulus on August 08, 2007, 08:57:32 PM
I don't consider that a warm and fuzzy ending


also: I don't consider V a hero. He rules, but he's certainly not a "good guy"

It was warmer and fuzzier than the comic, where he dies in an alleyway fighting a man who dislikes the government almost as much as him. 

Darth Cupcake

Quote from: Cain on August 09, 2007, 10:55:48 PM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on August 08, 2007, 08:57:32 PM
I don't consider that a warm and fuzzy ending


also: I don't consider V a hero. He rules, but he's certainly not a "good guy"

It was warmer and fuzzier than the comic, where he dies in an alleyway fighting a man who dislikes the government almost as much as him. 

Swarms of British folk are deeply moved by V's message. They all put on their matching outfits (wait, the revolution has a fuckin' uniform?!) and attack The Bad Guys.

I call that a rather warm fuzzy version compared to the comic, as Cain has already clarified.
Be the trouble you want to see in the world.

nurbldoff

Quote from: Darth Cupcake on August 08, 2007, 08:56:26 PM

They had to make it warm and fuzzy and appropriate for the Amurrican public who wants a happy ending.


That reminds me of the american ending for "Brazil"...  :D
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faust

Quote from: nurbldoff on August 10, 2007, 10:59:45 PM
Quote from: Darth Cupcake on August 08, 2007, 08:56:26 PM

They had to make it warm and fuzzy and appropriate for the Amurrican public who wants a happy ending.


That reminds me of the american ending for "Brazil"...  :D
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