Cain contra Robert Anton Wilson

[hooplala]

I'm done with this conversation.

Why are you so blatantly dishonest, Hoopla?

I should have been more clear, and stated explicitly that I was finished trying to discuss your points with you like a civilized person.

On the other hand, I'll still poke you with a stick until the cows come home.

[Cain]

Oh, so you're a mindreader now too, Hoopla?  Did you use mahadqickque to tell what I was thinking, or do you have another method? Strange, that you can apparently read my mind, yet not pick out the point behind my post.

You're so deliciously dishonest, I'm glad you're illustrating this for everyone to see.

[Cain]

I'm done with this conversation.

Why are you so blatantly dishonest, Hoopla?

I should have been more clear, and stated explicitly that I was finished trying to discuss your points with you like a civilized person.

On the other hand, I'll still poke you with a stick until the cows come home.

Yes, you're sure poking me Hoopla.  You're liek some sort of sooper-troll or something.

And we get another illustration of your revisionism and dishonesty into the bargain.

[Cain]

I can see those of you lurking, by the way.  Including the usual "lets have a go at Cain when someone else does" crowd.

Don't disappoint me now.

[hooplala]

I was under the impression I was responding to your points, since you made several in your post, but clearly none of those points were the REAL point, so I'm obviously too stupid to discuss it with you Cain. 

I was also under the impression that you and I were friends, which -to me- means that if I fail to understand your point (because I'm too stupid, recall) I might warrant the patience to help me realize it, but cleary (hope I'm not trying to use my mahaghjiqual mind-reading powers here) I am on approximately the same level as the average TCC poster, which is nice to know, even if it is after the fact.

I actually find it frightening that you become this ballistic this fast, over nothing really, I mean its a fucking discussion on a message board . . . I discuss things with people on here for enjoyment, not to be bashed over the head for "NOT GETTING IT".  Sorry.

But hey, what do you care?  Right?

[Verbal Mike]

I first read this thread after it was bumped. Yesterday or today, whatever. I just skimmed it to see if I had missed something the first time around.
I'm not sure what your "Real Point" is. I'm even less sure why you started ranting about how we don't understand you. Frankly, it seems a little infantile.

Having read the opening post twice, I still don't see how the discussion of the last three pages has failed to be relevant. Please, please clarify which point you wanted us to debate. At least for those, like myself, too stupid to figure this out on our own.

[Cainad (dec.)]

But the reason I really dislike RAW is he took something that was meant to be, to a degree, indefinable and went and created a whole damn subculture based around it.  If you read some of the other stuff by Hill and Thornley, you'll notice they were quite into their Zen.  One point that really stuck with Thornley in Zen thought is that naming something essentially destroys it.  Once you have a name, you can caricature it, you can define and exclude and you can eventually subvert it.  Once something has a definable set of ideas and symbols linked with it, it'll be in Hot Topic next week.  And once the Con has its hands on a movement, it ceases to be relevant or dangerous to the prevailing orthodoxy.

Is this TEH POINT that us fuckwits keep missing? Or did you use your super-secret literati powers to disguise TEH POINT in multiple layers of meaning behind what is, essentially, a statement of opinion?

[Cain]

Nice. I get attacked and misrepresented, so I'm "infantile".  No-one else mind, not least the people who went out of their to attack and misrepresent me.  You misinterpret my rant, treat me like an idiot and then expect me to play nice...and then when I don't, I get slapped down for it.  Real smooth, classy even.

[Verbal Mike]

I didn't say you're infantile. I said your behavior in this thread seemed infantile.
I was expecting there to be some plan behind it, or some personal reasons involved (or other reasons I am not privy to).

At any rate, I didn't mean to attack you. I respect you tremendously.

[hooplala]

I guess what I don't understand is who this post was referring to exactly?  I don't see a lot of RAW worship on this board.

I like RAW, I admit that, but I don't think I'm a Bobbie.  I take what I like from RAW, and ignore a hell of a lot of it too, as I would with anyone else I like.  I do consider myself my own spiritual authority, and I don't think I really parrot a lot of shit from the PD; yes, some of it, but again, I use what I like and discard what I don't like.   

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Jesus, maybe I should throw away the copy of the Illuminati trilogy I just bought and remain in blissful ignorance and unable to participate in discussions like this one. I don't understand anything Cain said, which is apparently a good thing.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

 

I have no idea how this thread imploded, but I'm claiming victory.

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Jesus, maybe I should throw away the copy of the Illuminati trilogy I just bought and remain in blissful ignorance and unable to participate in discussions like this one. I don't understand anything Cain said, which is apparently a good thing.

Ha ha. I haven't read it either.

SOLIDARITY IN IGNORANCE!

[Faust]

Jesus, maybe I should throw away the copy of the Illuminati trilogy I just bought and remain in blissful ignorance and unable to participate in discussions like this one. I don't understand anything Cain said, which is apparently a good thing.

A lot of what is said in the illuminatus is excellent. Its the sensationalist shit that people latch onto thats the problem.
It is however a really good read with some cool ideas, and a great yarn of what discordianism was to the two bobs.
Not to put words in cains mouth but I think: Its giving out about meme essentially.... Rightly so.

[Messier Undertree]