TRANSMISSIONS FROM ARIZONA

[Cain]

...dialogues and the possibility of a say in policy work FAR better than bombing the shit out of people repeatedly.

Bombing the shit makes for much better teevee thos.

The population aint gonna be quite as scared and angry watching a bunch of people talking now are they?

Depends if they can get Rev Paisley involved, I suppose...

[P3nT4gR4m]

fuck yeah - ian paisley v's gerry adams - mudwrestle to the death - winner takes ireland 

[Cain]

Paisley and Adams should be made Peace Ambassadors.

Think of the possibilities - they get sent to warzones and argue incessantly over boring Irish shit no-one cares about until all sides reach a negotiated settlement, or assassinate them both to shut them up.  Its win win, really.

[Requia ☣]

By concentrating on the methods of terrorism, we're not looking at the root causes of terrorism.

Orthodox terrorism discourse is so 2003.  Instead of viewing terrorism in terms of security threat/illegitimate violence/Wesphalian system, its a far better idea, in the long term, to try and find out what is causing it and stop that chain of events from perpetuating.

I know this isn't a very popular idea with our government, who recently recalled two diplomats from Afghanistan who tried to open communication channels with the Taliban (ironically this is the same government who also DID hold direct, face to face talks with the IRA's ruling council), but funnily enough, dialogues and the possibility of a say in policy work FAR better than bombing the shit out of people repeatedly.

In fact, before 9/11, lots of peace initiatives were working in places like Nepal or Sri Lanka, precisely because the roots of terrorism were being debated and those groups were being included in those dialogues.  Then suddenly, post 9/11, many of these states felt they had carte blanche to mobilize the forces of the state to wipe out terrorist groups.  Which has worked out so well.... 

Agreed, I don't honestly think it would do jack shit to dissuade Al Qaida (or any group that's based on a theory of 'everyone must do and think exactly like us'), but most terrorsit groups would respond semi well to it, and at the very least it makes the terrorists look more irrational in the eyes of potential recruits.

Also, I point out that talks did what 500 years of fighting couldn't, got the IRA to stop fighting.

Only real catch is that when you dissuade the group as a whole, the more unreasonable members tend to splinter/be the only ones left (see the Real IRA or the FARK).

[Random Probability]

Paisley and Adams should be made Peace Ambassadors.

Think of the possibilities - they get sent to warzones and argue incessantly over boring Irish shit no-one cares about until all sides reach a negotiated settlement, or assassinate them both to shut them up.  Its win win, really.

If we told them that Osama said he would only talk to them, then air dropped them into the mountains of northern Pakistan...  do you think anyone would notice that we didn't give them parachutes?

Just a thought.

[Pope Lecherous]

At this point, I'm going to dismiss you as a wannabe, and assume that you're a cook or a typist.

I already told you i'm not in the infantry, but people die when i see a target and give the order... my targets being missiles and aircraft.  That's a big part of what i do.

What war?  There was never a declaration of war, and your hero has already told us "mission accomplished".

Vietnam wasn't called a war, but everyone knows it was.

What a steaming load of ####.   

Innocent people probably died because of the curfew on fallujah, but the curfew (among other things) definitely did minimize the death of non-combatants.  Someone tipping off the terrorists... what an unrealistic story roger 

Wait.  What? Weren't you just defending Bush a few pages back.   

If people knowingly supported his poor decision why should they not be on trial?  We don't know why exactly he made the decisions he made, but you can sure make him pay for the immediate consequences if you are so inclined.

[Random Probability]

Hey there Lecher.  Good to see you made it back in one piece.

Lemme take a SWAG here, but are you a missile tech or part of a Hawk battery?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

At this point, I'm going to dismiss you as a wannabe, and assume that you're a cook or a typist.

I already told you i'm not in the infantry, but people die when i see a target and give the order... my targets being missiles and aircraft.  That's a big part of what i do.

People die when you undercook the porkchops.

Give it up.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Hey there Lecher.  Good to see you made it back in one piece.

Lemme take a SWAG here, but are you a missile tech or part of a Hawk battery?

He shoots down Iraqi insurgents in their jet fighters.   

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

People die when you undercook the porkchops.

[Pope Lecherous]

Agreed, I don't honestly think it would do jack shit to dissuade Al Qaida (or any group that's based on a theory of 'everyone must do and think exactly like us'), but most terrorsit groups would respond semi well to it, and at the very least it makes the terrorists look more irrational in the eyes of potential recruits.

I see exactly where you're coming from here and it makes sense when you apply it to most organizations that recruit, just not in this case.  Potential recruits for Al Qaida are targeted because they fit a certain psychological profile and/or they come from a harsh situation and Al Qaida offers them hope.  Most of the suicide bombers come from out of country because they have a hard time recruiting Iraqis to kill themselves... the Iraqi culture is opposed to suicide socially and religiously.

Most of the Iraqi suicide bombers that have been captured or have surrendered claim that their families would be compensated with big bucks or that they were coerced by threats to their family.

Hey there Lecher.  Good to see you made it back in one piece.
Lemme take a SWAG here, but are you a missile tech or part of a Hawk battery?

Thanks.  Close, but i'm Air Defense/surveillance/ATC/other.  We interface with ground based air defense to control missiles but we usually take control of air assets to get the job done.

He shoots down Iraqi insurgents in their jet fighters.  

You already know my location computer expert  just watch the news like everyone else and you can put the pieces together about whats going on here...  HINT HINT I'M NOT USING A PROXY

[P3nT4gR4m]

Thanks.  Close, but i'm Air Defense/surveillance/ATC/other.  We interface with ground based air defense to control missiles but we usually take control of air assets to get the job done.

So you basically play missile command, for real, for a living??? 

You fucking lucky bastard 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

You already know my location computer expert  just watch the news like everyone else and you can put the pieces together about whats going on here...  HINT HINT I'M NOT USING A PROXY

Oh, wait.  You are claiming to have shot North Koreans down?



Pull the other one, retard, it has bells.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Thanks.  Close, but i'm Air Defense/surveillance/ATC/other.  We interface with ground based air defense to control missiles but we usually take control of air assets to get the job done.

So you basically play missile command, for real, for a living??? 

You fucking lucky bastard 

He claims to have shot people down.   

In Korea. 

[Pope Lecherous]

So you basically play missile command, for real, for a living??? 
You fucking lucky bastard 

Pretty much, but i've only used pilots not missiles as of yet... missiles might come into play given my current situation.

He claims to have shot people down.   
In Korea. 

No, I haven't done that or claimed to have done that.  I have assigned aircraft to destroy targets on the ground in Iraq, providing Close Air Support, Deep AS, and recon type missions.  I haven't had any conflict in Korea, i told you i'm just here training.