Thoughts on Other lifeform

[Lupernikes_shadowbark]

Be they aliens or older forms of life (or just other than us)...does anyone here believe that these forms of life exist?

Has anyone ever gotten 'vibes' (please bahave! lol) from a seemingly normal person on the street?  Has anyone ever encountered what I call a 'shadow', an obvious presence which ypu can almostr see but very much sense, which causes you to feel irrational fear? Try to reply seriously please folks ( i know it's hard but it can be done  )...I'm interested in hearing other people's stories...

[Triple Zero]

Be they aliens or older forms of life (or just other than us)...does anyone here believe that these forms of life exist?

maybe, maybe not, depends on what you mean by "exist", if they really exist.

Has anyone ever gotten 'vibes' (please bahave! lol) from a seemingly normal person on the street?  Has anyone ever encountered what I call a 'shadow', an obvious presence which ypu can almostr see but very much sense, which causes you to feel irrational fear? Try to reply seriously please folks ( i know it's hard but it can be done  )...I'm interested in hearing other people's stories...

can't say i have. if that kind of stuff is real, one thing's for sure, i'm damned unsensitive to it. and believe me, i've tried.

although i did once see a girl with bright red eyes (the iris, instead of blue green or brown), but i already walked on and had to catch my bus, so i never got a good second look, so it might as well have been imagined or a trick of the light or something.

[Cain]

Or really cool contact lenses.

I'm pretty sure aliens exist, though I have my doubts about both their intelligence and their engineering and piloting abilities if they come here simply to do anonymous midnight anal examinations, mutiliate livestock and crash in the desert all the time.  So yeah, I'm pretty sure there is intelligent, or even unintelligent life somewhere in the Universe (note the lack of an "else" in that sentence), I just don't suspect it is flying around our atmosphere sexually molesting people.

As for ultraterrestrials, other dimensions etc....I don't speculate.  I simply don't have enough knowledge about such things to consider them in any reasonable terms.

[Lupernikes_shadowbark]

I was less convinced until the wife woke me up one night as she could hear something on the stairs outside.  I then sensed something I have 'felt' before now; ie recognised.  Funny thing is, although i could sense it I couldn't hear anything but she could.

I call them shadows though, not demons as demon is such a judeo-christian thing and I'm not going with that....perhaps another form of life which shares some of our set of dimensions sometimes. 

[bones]

i very regularly think i see movement or even just a shape, wherever, whether im sitting still or moving myself, alone or with others, that i would swear if only for an instant is a person or something else. Sometimes i can figure out what it was (light, shadow, reflection, mannequin, pile of rubbish, anything), often i never know. sometimes i get really jumpy.

i tend to think it's most likely that there are other life-forms besides whatever evolved on earth in the sense that we understand. it seems to me almost unquestionable that there would be similar planets where lifeforms we could comprehend would have evolved like we did, but im very skeptical/agnostic about other kinds, that may interact with us here, like spirits/angels/transdimensional beings/whatever. All that shit seems to me to exist to some people because their reality is different that way. Fear personifies itself in the human mind. The best way i could make sense of it is to say these things are metaphorical: some old catholic might say the man is 'possessed', whereas i would describe him as 'schizophrenic' (who am i to say a demonic possession doesnt exist? enough engrams in your thetan would make anyone go mad ); feng shui may bring spiritual harmony to a room, or it might just be more comfortable and pleasant to sit in a room that isn't full of piles of junk; you might feel someones 'vibe', or you might just see the look in their eyes, the way they hold themselves, hear the way they talk. It's natural to repel something that's a bit different, especially if it's a difference you can't quite put your finger on.

You can get a lot of information without realising it. A practical infinity of signals hit you in the head every second, you can be sure you pick up some info without quite knowing where it came from.

[Cain]

I was less convinced until the wife woke me up one night as she could hear something on the stairs outside.  I then sensed something I have 'felt' before now; ie recognised.  Funny thing is, although i could sense it I couldn't hear anything but she could.

I call them shadows though, not demons as demon is such a judeo-christian thing and I'm not going with that....perhaps another form of life which shares some of our set of dimensions sometimes. 

I suspect having that sort of experience would change your mind, or at least force you to reconsider some key asumptions...I've never had such an event happen personally though, so I can remain coolly skeptical with the benefit of being personally removed from such situations.

I'm also hesistant to name possible causes...one of the few researchers of High Wierdness that I admire, Jacques Vallee, often takes this stance with his UFO investigations.  He admits something is going on, and its freaky as fuck for the people involved, but whatever that may be, he has a hard time finding out what it is.  In his own investigations, he maintains a notable skepticism towards the alien hypothesis for UFOs, looking more towards earthbound, social and perhaps cultural reasons behind them, suggesting that whatever is happening is merely a modern manifestation of a much older phenomenon.  He also takes care to seperate physical facts in such cases (usually little to nonexistent and inconclusive) with conjecture and possible origins.

Its essentially the law of fives.  Something freaky and odd happens, and your mind may grab a suitable model to help frame that event in an intelligible manner.  Culture, personal experience, social status and so on probably feed the potential models for your brain to use and what you may see or reason that it is may not in fact be the original cause.  The freakiness happened, sure (except in the cases someone faked it to make a buck), but your (generally you, not just you personally) interpretation may be dead wrong.

[Lupernikes_shadowbark]

I cannot describe how I occassionaly see things other than as a disturbance in the air, sort of like grey shadows, except it's not grey, more of a colourless colour made of many colours outside of the normal spectrum which is normally visible to us.  Makes very little sense I know!  If you think of the thing in Donnie Darko, that's the kind of colourless colour I'm talking about, sort of.

My belief is other beings, intelligent and aware of us too, sometimes.  The Christians called them demons because anything else would go against the Creation Myth.  The Greeks, at least, had the Gods and Titans...for Christians, anything not mentioned as made by God in the Bible must be a demon and the very natural human fear of something which feels so different to us adds credence to that.  I used to think some of these beings were evil but now I believe it's more a feeling of complete difference I sense rather than evil.  Something which is not human scares the bejeezus out of anyone who is....the thought of an intelligent being who can see you and whom you know nothing about is scary, obviously.  So of course early humans would call these beings demons and so forth.  I even once saw an amimal I've yet been unable to identify in all the intervening years and this was back when I was 7!  

As the Bard so eloquently put it "There are more things in heaven and Earth..."  (maybe he was taking something ok, but still...)

[Thurnez Isa]

All that shit seems to me to exist to some people because their reality is different that way. Fear personifies itself in the human mind.

our brain has developed to recognize shapes in what is nothing threatening or out of the ordinary. Especially if it is in the corner of ones eye
It will take the seemingly incomplete info and form it to whatever it may think is threatening. A sort of flight response to very little data
I suspect 99 percent of all creepy feelings or supposed supernatural experiences are nothing more then brain juice being protective (what Cain just said)
...that or 3rd dimensional shape shifting lizard alien agents

[Lupernikes_shadowbark]

I was less convinced until the wife woke me up one night as she could hear something on the stairs outside.  I then sensed something I have 'felt' before now; ie recognised.  Funny thing is, although i could sense it I couldn't hear anything but she could.

I call them shadows though, not demons as demon is such a judeo-christian thing and I'm not going with that....perhaps another form of life which shares some of our set of dimensions sometimes. 

I suspect having that sort of experience would change your mind, or at least force you to reconsider some key asumptions...I've never had such an event happen personally though, so I can remain coolly skeptical with the benefit of being personally removed from such situations.

I'm also hesistant to name possible causes...one of the few researchers of High Wierdness that I admire, Jacques Vallee, often takes this stance with his UFO investigations.  He admits something is going on, and its freaky as fuck for the people involved, but whatever that may be, he has a hard time finding out what it is.  In his own investigations, he maintains a notable skepticism towards the alien hypothesis for UFOs, looking more towards earthbound, social and perhaps cultural reasons behind them, suggesting that whatever is happening is merely a modern manifestation of a much older phenomenon.  He also takes care to seperate physical facts in such cases (usually little to nonexistent and inconclusive) with conjecture and possible origins.

Its essentially the law of fives.  Something freaky and odd happens, and your mind may grab a suitable model to help frame that event in an intelligible manner.  Culture, personal experience, social status and so on probably feed the potential models for your brain to use and what you may see or reason that it is may not in fact be the original cause.  The freakiness happened, sure (except in the cases someone faked it to make a buck), but your (generally you, not just you personally) interpretation may be dead wrong.

that is of course a possibility Cain but I remain unconvinced by that mate...I don't know what the answer is, nor can I give you credible alternatives either.  can't say I'm for sure right or you're wrong either lol

[Chairman Risus]

Have you ever read John Dies at the End?

http://www.johndiesattheend.com/

[Triple Zero]

Or really cool contact lenses.

thats what i thought. along with "i want some of those", but googling around a bit for special contacts reveals that they're 1) fucking expensive and 2) unable to actually make your eye brighter than it already is.

a colourless colour made of many colours outside of the normal spectrum which is normally visible to us.  Makes very little sense I know!

especially if you consider how your eyes work and in what way they perceive colour. do you know how the eye works? if yes, then why do you say the thing you perceived is made up of light outside the visible spectrum?

[Payne]

although i did once see a girl with bright red eyes (the iris, instead of blue green or brown), but i already walked on and had to catch my bus, so i never got a good second look, so it might as well have been imagined or a trick of the light or something.

Photoshopped.

thats what i thought. along with "i want some of those", but googling around a bit for special contacts reveals that they're 1) fucking expensive and 2) unable to actually make your eye brighter than it already is.

Use MSPaint.

[Lupernikes_shadowbark]

Or really cool contact lenses.

thats what i thought. along with "i want some of those", but googling around a bit for special contacts reveals that they're 1) fucking expensive and 2) unable to actually make your eye brighter than it already is.

a colourless colour made of many colours outside of the normal spectrum which is normally visible to us.  Makes very little sense I know!

especially if you consider how your eyes work and in what way they perceive colour. do you know how the eye works? if yes, then why do you say the thing you perceived is made up of light outside the visible spectrum?

not being facetious or anything mate, it's just trying to describe what is hard to describe so other people can visualise it.....I have no idea what we're capable of perceiving or being aware of, just what the concensus decides is 'normal'

[Honey]

"The eye cannot see the eye."  I dunno who said that?

How the Mind Works by Stephen Pinker has some great stuff bout how the eye really does work.  Amazing & fascinating.

I've has some stuff happen to me that I really can't explain?  I hope there's sentient life elsewhere.  Hell I hope there's sentient life here   

Red
Green
Blue

Some processes interfere (sometimes enhance) with other processes. Automatic processes can interfere, for example (Stroop effect)

[Triple Zero]

not being facetious or anything mate, it's just trying to describe what is hard to describe so other people can visualise it.....I have no idea what we're capable of perceiving or being aware of, just what the concensus decides is 'normal'

then it would kinda help if you would describe your experiences in terms that you know they are (1), so that we don't have to correct you on what we are certain that they are not (2) in order to have any kind of sensible discussion.

(1) you know you saw, felt and interpreted something.

(2) you were not perceiving "light outside the physical spectrum". there's no reason to assume this, except "it might be cool if it was", but your eyes simply aren't capable of that, and even if they were*, it would register as an excitation of one of the blue, green or red cones in the eye, and therefore appear to your mind as made of some perfectly normal colour, nothing of the ethereal "colourless colour" you describe. conclusion: it's gotta be something else, but not light outside of the visible spectrum.

* for instance, the eye is slightly capable of registering infra-red light frequencies, though they are very faint and therefore usually drowned out by the other light present. in some situations it isn't, and you can vaguely make out infra-red frequencies. because they register on mostly the red cones in your eye, to the mind they simply appear as some vague reddish glow. same kind of holds for ultra-violet light, which you can perceive under certain circumstances (night clubs with UV lamps).