Unlimited Dok Howl Supervillian Thread

[Triple Zero]

oops five pages, let me find the post I should quote, just a moment

seems to me you're looking really really hard to dismiss people.

because on the one hand people that argue the position of even just one aspect of socialism/anarchism/liberalism/chaos magic/paganism/taoism, their points get stretched and then they are painted as BEING a socialist/anarchist/liberal/chaos magician/pagan/taoist.

we've all seen that happen over and over again, right?

and now you say you don't consider them Discordians. actually, I don't really care who you consider Discordians or not. that's not really the point anyway, just another label.

I actually agree with most if not the entire post. Except maybe this one, which I simultaneously agree and disagree with:

> We are not on ANY of their sides, as none of them are on OUR side.

See, you make great points, and they are Very True. But what bothers me is, and this goes for the board in general, the whole EITHER/OR attitude, the "you're either with me or against me" stance, you're either a biped or a worthless monkey.

As soon as someone even just momentarily argues some ideology, they get trashed.

That completely sucks.

Because for me Discordianism is not about not being "with" ANY of them. I enjoy the mix and match approach. And a lot of us do. RAW talked about it, switching reality channels.

Sigmatic said it, with the subversion remark. The point is to go on the ride for a while, and know when to subvert it and jump out.

Like, I could read up about (say,) anarchism (which I am not really a fan of), and focus on all the good bits. Let anarchism sell itself to me a littlebit.

But do you really think, that after having found Discordianism, it would not start to smell like rotten fish (or poop) to me after a while? And I would be all "ahhh yeah, anarchism, been there done that". But then I wouldnt say it sucks, or it is synonymous to "being retarded" [as some people try to define it here], I'd say it's got some good ideas as well as some flaws.


That's the thing with ideologies, just because they have flaws doesn't mean you need to dump them entirely.

Similarly, just because ideologies have good ideas, doesn't mean you need to follow them religiously.


And frankly, being Discordian means to me, doing both those prev statements right. Not just the latter.

[Doktor Howl]

seems to me you're looking really really hard to dismiss people.

Some people.  If you think that's what this is all about, then fuck off.

Find yourself some other sucker to be the villian, okay?  I'm not interested in the job.

[Triple Zero]

oh PLEASE get over yourself.

read the entire post. most of it is not directed at you in particular.

and not entirely agreeing with the OP in a thread you started is NOT the same as casting you as a villain.

[Triple Zero]

wait actually no fuck that.

you're just doing it again, proving my point.

except in this case I'm arguing against one thing in the middle of a very big post, and you try to stretch this to me casting you as a villain.

apparently you don't think there is anything wrong with that.

[Doktor Howl]

oh PLEASE get over yourself.

read the entire post. most of it is not directed at you in particular.

and not entirely agreeing with the OP in a thread you started is NOT the same as casting you as a villain.

Taken in context with other recent posts of yours, that's how I'm interpreting it...After all, if you can cast posts of mine a certain way without regard to accuracy - and you have, just the other day - I have every right to do it right back to you.

Find someone else to try to brow-beat.  I'm really not interested.

Okay for now,
Dok

[Doktor Howl]

wait actually no fuck that.

you're just doing it again, proving my point.

except in this case I'm arguing against one thing in the middle of a very big post, and you try to stretch this to me casting you as a villain.

apparently you don't think there is anything wrong with that.

You cast me as a villian in the Grant Morrison thread, to such a degree that I am no longer interested in your point of view.  If you have any further attacks you'd like to make, I'd appreciate it if you'd move it to the Open Bar.  I was enjoying this thread.

[Triple Zero]

Bullshit. You're overreacting.

[Doktor Howl]

Bullshit. You're overreacting.

I am?

To make a long story short, this:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=24993.79

...Is why I won't be arguing in any more ideology threads.  You can idolize Grant Morrison all you like without my interference.  Worship him all you please, I will leave you alone.  Same goes for anarchy threads, Libertarianism, you fucking name it.  It's all yours.  This should make you happy.

That being said, leave me the fuck alone.  Take out whatever the hell is wrong with you on someone else.

[Triple Zero]

Oh I know what you're talking about. I was busy writing you a reply to the PM I got a few days ago but I haven't gotten around to finishing it yet.

I just think you're overreacting, that's all.

Because I was criticizing you (and others, but you ignore that, I suppose) which is not the same as casting you as a villain. That would be overreacting.

And I see the thread title says supervillain now, I don't think there's much debate about whether you are "overreacting" anymore.

Also the first post ITT is actually on-topic, if perhaps a bit critical about the OP [edit: of the thread this was split from]. I don't think it is okay to start splitting off posts that are on topic yet critical about the OP. You can leave this one, I don't care it's not worth the effort. I'm just saying. That is really not okay, don't do it again.

[Doktor Howl]

Oh I know what you're talking about. I was busy writing you a reply to the PM I got a few days ago but I haven't gotten around to finishing it yet.

I just think you're overreacting, that's all.

Because I was criticizing you (and others, but you ignore that, I suppose) which is not the same as casting you as a villain. That would be overreacting.

And I see the thread title says supervillain now, I don't think there's much debate about whether you are "overreacting" anymore.

Also the first post ITT is actually on-topic, if perhaps a bit critical about the OP. I don't think it is okay to start splitting off posts that are on topic yet critical about the OP. You can leave this one, I don't care it's not worth the effort. I'm just saying. That is really not okay, don't do it again.

No, Trip, I brought up 4 concerns with Morrison's speech.  You then hollered at me for - at the same time - finding four things wrong, and, oddly enough "picking at one thing".  (This would have all been much easier if someone had mentioned that a comic book artist is sacred and cannot be critiqued.)  Then you used me as an example of why PD is still sick.  Then you spagged up my thread, even though I said I was going to stay out of your stuff.

And you seem to have a very elastic standard as to when things can and cannot be split.  Kind of reeks of hypocrisy, because you were all about doing it when Nigel criticized alignment charts in an alignment chart thread...the VERY FUCKING SAME STANDARD YOU ARE TELLING ME I CANNOT USE.

So, yeah, it IS okay, by YOUR OWN STANDARDS.  

Or are you somehow privileged?

[Doktor Howl]

Also, if I'm going to be a villain, I'm going to be a supervillain.  That's my perogative.  You aren't the boss of me.

[Triple Zero]

The Morrisson thread had by then jacked into a discussion about overpopulation. That was not only your fault, but others as well. Unfortunately the English language lacks a plural form of "you" [except in some dialects]. That could have been more clear. Or you could have, you know, asked.

It's the bit where you call it a "good conversation", while if it happens to your own threads you flip out and threaten to never write anything again, where I was addressing you personally.

The bit about PD being sick, is we're all trying to make it better, and apparently not even the people that point out what is wrong are immune for doing those wrongs themselves. As you just said, an example, which rules out being the villain.


About you smelling hypocrisy.

The alignment chart thread was meant for posting alignment charts, not discussing whether they were stupid or not.

That is why we split it. Because a pages long discussion about whether alignment charts are stupid kind of fucks up a thread that is intended for posting pictures of alignment charts.

Following that logic, your thread must have been about "things that agree with the OP", in which case, why don't you split of Vene and Kai and Sigmatic's posts too?

That's the thing. I agree that the whole discussion about you being a villain or not is completely off-topic to that thread. But you brought that up first, just saying you should have split it one post later, because my post was on-topic unless criticism is not allowed in your thread.

[Doktor Howl]

The Morrisson thread had by then jacked into a discussion about overpopulation. That was not only your fault, but others as well. Unfortunately the English language lacks a plural form of "you" [except in some dialects]. That could have been more clear. Or you could have, you know, asked.

Okay, so because a comic book artist guru says we're in the "victory lap", we can ignore the fact that there's 6.75 Bn of us crowding the inside lane.

It's the bit where you call it a "good conversation", while if it happens to your own threads you flip out and threaten to never write anything again, where I was addressing you personally.

I'm still writing.  I'm just being more choosy about where.  I don't want to poop on any sacred cows.  Makes the natives restless.

The bit about PD being sick, is we're all trying to make it better, and apparently not even the people that point out what is wrong are immune for doing those wrongs themselves. As you just said, an example, which rules out being the villain.

That's not how it read.  You ranted some weird contradictory shit at me, and then asked why PD.com was still sick.  I might have been born in the dark, but it wasn't last night.

About you smelling hypocrisy.

The alignment chart thread was meant for posting alignment charts, not discussing whether they were stupid or not.

Oh, okay.  So SOMETIMES the rules apply, and sometimes they DON'T, and you are the sole arbiter of when this happens.

That is why we split it. Because a pages long discussion about whether alignment charts are stupid kind of fucks up a thread that is intended for posting pictures of alignment charts.

Odd.  The title you guys gave the thread didn't imply anything like that.  It was more a personal insult, IIRC.

Following that logic, your thread must have been about "things that agree with the OP", in which case, why don't you split of Vene and Kai and Sigmatic's posts too?

No, they were legitimately taking part in the conversation.  You dropped by to attack me again.

That's the thing. I agree that the whole discussion about you being a villain or not is completely off-topic to that thread. But you brought that up first, just saying you should have split it one post later, because my post was on-topic unless criticism is not allowed in your thread.

I don't see why you guys get to split threads all over the place on a whim, but now there's suddenly rules.  This was part of my fucking thread.  I split it when a shit-stirrer showed up, same as I'd split anyone's thread if they asked.

[the last yatto]

what the difference between a supervillian and a mad scientist?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I don't see what the big deal is. At least he didn't name the thread something personally insulting to you, eh?