Roger, it's making me sick.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Kai, this may or may not help, but I'm going to give it a stab.

I think that I saw Vladimir Poopin at one point post that it's never too late even if you are literally dying. It ain't over until it's over, and at that point, it's not going to matter to us anyway.

I'm presuming that, in your funk, and previously, you have made alterations to your life and etc., to make whatever positive impact that you can. Well, you're the scientist, what are they? Yeah we're a bunch of spags, but this spag doesn't want the planet to go down the shitter either. I'm presuming the rest of us don't either. So what should I do without going anarcho-primitivist? If we're going to/have already fuck(ed) this planet up beyond our survivability as a civilization, at least we tried to save our asses.

If we can't pull it off, well, the sun's gotta go nova some day anyway. And even further in the future there's that whole heat death/Big Rip problem.

But I'm not about to get depressed over it. We're still here aren't we? That means it's not too late.

Speak for yourself. Personally I think the joke's only half as funny without the punchline. Sooner or later it's death. All encompassing death. I'm going to die, everybody else is going to die, the planet is going to die, the sun is going to die, taking out the rest of the solar system with it and, in all probability, the universe will die. Death is what happens. Life is simply how you spend the time leading up to it. Personally if I was faced with the choice of a decade, rotting away in some piss-stinking nursing home or flying this burning planet straight into the sun, drunk out my tits and laughing maniacally I know which one I'd choose. And I don't give a fuck if that means I reach the end ten or twenty years earlier. Quality over quantity, my friend.

"Oh but the future generations" You might say. Well fuck the future generations, truth is they're all going to die too. At some point there's a cutoff. No more future generations. No more future.

Our modern termite society tries to make us forget this. We're taught not to think about it but the ancients understood. A glorious death was more important that anything else in all the great cultures, back when all there was to do was fight until you went out in a blaze of awesome. But nowadays we fear it and that fear has eaten into the very fabric of our society like fucking cancer and it's ruining life for everyone.

[Captain Utopia]

Do you feel the same sadness for the dinosaurs, or for the countless species that existed and became extinct before there was anything around to even document them, and if not, why not?  Don't those unknown species outnumber the ones you mourn today?  Because to put it in the perspective of an anthropomorphised biosphere, it seems to me to be a creature which will outlive it's human phase -- I don't think we have the capability to destroy all life on the planet.  And what doesn't kill the biosphere only evolves it into something stronger?

WE'RE EXERCISING TROPICAL OLD-GROWTH: BIODIVERSITY IS GOING TO GET RIPPED.

OVERWEIGHT MOUNTAIN TOP REMOVAL: THE WATERSHEDS ARE GOING TO BE SO RIPPED.

OIL SPILLS ARE SURPRISE TRAINING SESSIONS: THE GULF IS GOING TO BE RIPPED.

I'm not calling it a Wildlife Haven, but there is research showing that the wildlife inhabiting the Chernobyl human exclusion zone are already mutating/adapting to cope with the high radiation levels.

Neither am I for humans interfering with biodiversity, but for all the holes we poke in it today, that's just another niche that it'll fill tomorrow with new, more interesting, forms of life.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Pent-

Kai, this may or may not help, but I'm going to give it a stab.

I think that I saw Vladimir Poopin at one point post that it's never too late even if you are literally dying. It ain't over until it's over, and at that point, it's not going to matter to us anyway.

I'm presuming that, in your funk, and previously, you have made alterations to your life and etc., to make whatever positive impact that you can. Well, you're the scientist, what are they? Yeah we're a bunch of spags, but this spag doesn't want the planet to go down the shitter either. I'm presuming the rest of us don't either. So what should I do without going anarcho-primitivist? If we're going to/have already fuck(ed) this planet up beyond our survivability as a civilization, at least we tried to save our asses.

If we can't pull it off, well, the sun's gotta go nova some day anyway. And even further in the future there's that whole heat death/Big Rip problem.

But I'm not about to get depressed over it. We're still here aren't we? That means it's not too late.

[Triple Zero]

Speak for yourself. Personally I think the joke's only half as funny without the punchline. Sooner or later it's death. All encompassing death. I'm going to die, everybody else is going to die, the planet is going to die, the sun is going to die, taking out the rest of the solar system with it and, in all probability, the universe will die. Death is what happens. Life is simply how you spend the time leading up to it. Personally if I was faced with the choice of a decade, rotting away in some piss-stinking nursing home or flying this burning planet straight into the sun, drunk out my tits and laughing maniacally I know which one I'd choose. And I don't give a fuck if that means I reach the end ten or twenty years earlier. Quality over quantity, my friend.

Well, yes. Everything is going to die. But there's a sense of scale, IMO.

The universe is zillions of years old, and humanity is more like 100,000s years old.

And life, let alone "intelligent" life, is incredibly rare in this universe.

And if we fuck up this planet, this entire huge neighbourhood in the universe is going to be dead as fuck.

However, if we manage to hold out just long enough to be able to colonize another planet, any planet, even just in our solar system (like Mars) or with some cryosleep thingy farther away, we (our species) will manage to live and survive for the age of the universe, or at least a decent chunk of it. While if we don't, we're just gonna survive as long as we don't drown in our own shit.

And, call me weird, but I think self-conscious life is fucking awesome? And even if we fuck up this planet (though it would be a shame), it would be a sad thing to lose that.

And if, some million years after we fucked up, some other lifeform got consciousness ... Well, for starters they'd not have to make the same mistakes (not being monkeys, they might actually pull it off?), but also I'd be fucking jealous if those fuckers could do it where we failed. Cause I'ma human.

On the other other hand, it;'s not gonna happen in my lifetime, and I'm going to be happy watching the whole spectacle whatever it is, for the longest period I can manage with a healthy brain and see what crazy things my species are going to come up with.