The "WTC Mosque" hysteria, in a nutshell

[Jenne]

Yeah, like I said, I don't have a good reason for feeling that way. I'm trying to express my recognition that my gut instincts are invalid in this case. It isn't about being right, it's about emotionalism. It's the same thing that's consuming the GOP and half the Democrats right now with this wave of bullshit over the Islamic Community Center ("mosque" is so much easier to type). I'm not going to say I feel good about a mosque near Ground Zero, but I will say that my feeling bad about it is incorrect.

Well, I'm glad you are, but the thing that scares me is that this is the very thing that's carrying the tide of so-called "public" opinion these days.  And the temperature checks all indicate this is a popular sentiment.

I mean, really?  Are all my in-laws evil by distinction?  I'm harboring one now, straight from Toronto.  By way of Pakistan and Afghanistan.  Is SHE evil, too?

Seems every red-neck, Tea Partying, Sarah-Palin-worshipping, have no idea what Islam is about let alone knowing personally any Muslims AT ALL, fuckhead yahoos are just ALLOWED by the mainstream to have the most assinine misdirections about what we REALLY fucking need in the US!

What a waste!

[Jenne]

Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam who wants the centre built, is also probably somewhere between the President of Pakistan and the King of Saudi Arabia on the Muslim extremist hitlist. 

Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute, says Feisal "has participated at the Aspen Institute in Muslim-Christian-Jewish working groups looking at ways to promote greater religious tolerance. He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam."

I cant think of a better way of poking Al-Qaeda and their "lets start a clash of the civilizations" friends in the eye than letting him go right ahead.

Building on this, I want to abolish the DHS and instead set up "the Department for Trolling Al-Qaeda, and Miscellanious Other Nusiances of a Sub-state Variety", or the DTAQMONSSV for short.  It's remit is that it would have the full authority of the President and Congress to do anything likely to cause targets under it's remit to bang their fists on tables and say, "fuck you, American pig-dog infidel, fuck you in the ass."  For instance, dropping pork hotdogs rather than bombs on suspected Al-Qaeda compounds, holding publically announced interfaith dialogue meetings, changing all the backgrounds on suspected terrorist computers to that of Playboy models...things like that.  Just fucking with them, 24/7.

Ha!  When my husband's first stepmother went batshit insane, one thing she did when my father-in-law divorced her was to send cigars, brandy and playboy subscriptions to ALL his Afghan Doctors Association colleagues. 

[Adios]

Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam who wants the centre built, is also probably somewhere between the President of Pakistan and the King of Saudi Arabia on the Muslim extremist hitlist. 

Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute, says Feisal "has participated at the Aspen Institute in Muslim-Christian-Jewish working groups looking at ways to promote greater religious tolerance. He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam."

I cant think of a better way of poking Al-Qaeda and their "lets start a clash of the civilizations" friends in the eye than letting him go right ahead.

Building on this, I want to abolish the DHS and instead set up "the Department for Trolling Al-Qaeda, and Miscellanious Other Nusiances of a Sub-state Variety", or the DTAQMONSSV for short.  It's remit is that it would have the full authority of the President and Congress to do anything likely to cause targets under it's remit to bang their fists on tables and say, "fuck you, American pig-dog infidel, fuck you in the ass."  For instance, dropping pork hotdogs rather than bombs on suspected Al-Qaeda compounds, holding publically announced interfaith dialogue meetings, changing all the backgrounds on suspected terrorist computers to that of Playboy models...things like that.  Just fucking with them, 24/7.

Ha!  When my husband's first stepmother went batshit insane, one thing she did when my father-in-law divorced her was to send cigars, brandy and playboy subscriptions to ALL his Afghan Doctors Association colleagues. 

[Doktor Howl]

Well, I'm glad you are, but the thing that scares me is that this is the very thing that's carrying the tide of so-called "public" opinion these days.  And the temperature checks all indicate this is a popular sentiment.

See my new thread in Horrorology.

[Jenne]

I have an idea, let's look at this from the MUSLIM perspective.  Before 9/11, the public opinion polls couldn't have told you where the Middle East WAS on the map, let alone what type of languages were spoken there, and what sorts of religions, other than Judaism and Islam, were practiced there.  No one knew a Pakistani from an Arab from an Afghan (they probably STILL don't, which is why the more distinctive turban-wearing Sikhs are often attacked in the US because they "look" the part...but they're not, sadly).

9/11 happens, and all Muslims are suddenly considered dogs.  Worse than dogs, really.  Dogmeat.  Dogshit, even.  Because the groups that happened to get an in on the American Government and therefore the American People happened to be Muslim (nevermind the strange bedfellows the US were to them before this!), all followers (and there are millions and millions) are tarred with the same damned brush.

Every wrong step by any Muslim is now a directive to treat anything and everything Muslim as badwrong and unnatural, cultish and evil.  Muslims worldwide are now not victims of their own indigenous despot governments as most of them started out in the 70's, 80's and 90's during the refugee years.  Instead, they are backstabbing, infiltrating, lying cheating scum.

Coming to America, they dream of a place where neighbors don't inform on one another, children can play in the streets or on the playground without bombs going off or gunfire erupting, boys and girls can integrate (admittedly, this is a YOUNG person's ideal, not the OLDER ones'), and there's FREEDOM OF RELIGION without a faction coming and bombing your place of worship.

So what are we saying to them, the American Muslims, when in their HOLIEST month of the year, during the hot, sweaty month of August for chrissakes, they cannot have a place to rest and commune?

What are we telling their children?

What are we telling ourselves?

Nasty.  Terribly nasty, this whole business.

[Doktor Howl]

Well, I'm glad you are, but the thing that scares me is that this is the very thing that's carrying the tide of so-called "public" opinion these days.  And the temperature checks all indicate this is a popular sentiment.

I mean, really?  Are all my in-laws evil by distinction?  I'm harboring one now, straight from Toronto.  By way of Pakistan and Afghanistan.  Is SHE evil, too?

Seems every red-neck, Tea Partying, Sarah-Palin-worshipping, have no idea what Islam is about let alone knowing personally any Muslims AT ALL, fuckhead yahoos are just ALLOWED by the mainstream to have the most assinine misdirections about what we REALLY fucking need in the US!

What a waste!

Also, welcome to The Future, Jenne.   

[Jenne]

I think I'm going to Facebook the above.

[Jenne]

Well, I'm glad you are, but the thing that scares me is that this is the very thing that's carrying the tide of so-called "public" opinion these days.  And the temperature checks all indicate this is a popular sentiment.

I mean, really?  Are all my in-laws evil by distinction?  I'm harboring one now, straight from Toronto.  By way of Pakistan and Afghanistan.  Is SHE evil, too?

Seems every red-neck, Tea Partying, Sarah-Palin-worshipping, have no idea what Islam is about let alone knowing personally any Muslims AT ALL, fuckhead yahoos are just ALLOWED by the mainstream to have the most assinine misdirections about what we REALLY fucking need in the US!

What a waste!

Also, welcome to The Future, Jenne.   

  I knows it.

[Aucoq]

I have an idea, let's look at this from the MUSLIM perspective.  Before 9/11, the public opinion polls couldn't have told you where the Middle East WAS on the map, let alone what type of languages were spoken there, and what sorts of religions, other than Judaism and Islam, were practiced there.  No one knew a Pakistani from an Arab from an Afghan (they probably STILL don't, which is why the more distinctive turban-wearing Sikhs are often attacked in the US because they "look" the part...but they're not, sadly).

9/11 happens, and all Muslims are suddenly considered dogs.  Worse than dogs, really.  Dogmeat.  Dogshit, even.  Because the groups that happened to get an in on the American Government and therefore the American People happened to be Muslim (nevermind the strange bedfellows the US were to them before this!), all followers (and there are millions and millions) are tarred with the same damned brush.

Every wrong step by any Muslim is now a directive to treat anything and everything Muslim as badwrong and unnatural, cultish and evil.  Muslims worldwide are now not victims of their own indigenous despot governments as most of them started out in the 70's, 80's and 90's during the refugee years.  Instead, they are backstabbing, infiltrating, lying cheating scum.

Coming to America, they dream of a place where neighbors don't inform on one another, children can play in the streets or on the playground without bombs going off or gunfire erupting, boys and girls can integrate (admittedly, this is a YOUNG person's ideal, not the OLDER ones'), and there's FREEDOM OF RELIGION without a faction coming and bombing your place of worship.

So what are we saying to them, the American Muslims, when in their HOLIEST month of the year, during the hot, sweaty month of August for chrissakes, they cannot have a place to rest and commune?

What are we telling their children?

What are we telling ourselves?

Nasty.  Terribly nasty, this whole business.

[Doktor Howl]

Well, I'm glad you are, but the thing that scares me is that this is the very thing that's carrying the tide of so-called "public" opinion these days.  And the temperature checks all indicate this is a popular sentiment.

I mean, really?  Are all my in-laws evil by distinction?  I'm harboring one now, straight from Toronto.  By way of Pakistan and Afghanistan.  Is SHE evil, too?

Seems every red-neck, Tea Partying, Sarah-Palin-worshipping, have no idea what Islam is about let alone knowing personally any Muslims AT ALL, fuckhead yahoos are just ALLOWED by the mainstream to have the most assinine misdirections about what we REALLY fucking need in the US!

What a waste!

Also, welcome to The Future, Jenne.   

  I knows it.

Yeah, the really horrible thing is that The Future is just like the past, only we make more excuses for it.  It's still all about getting laid, grabbing everything you can, stirring up hatred to cover your tracks, and kicking the mortal shit out of smudgy people.

And in a hundred years, The Future will look just the same, with maybe a few more bells and whistles.

[the last yatto]

This thread makes me want to go protest outside YMCiA
or maybe steal the Jesus statue from OKC

ill probably just attend service at a mosque before the month is over

[Adios]

I think I'm going to Facebook the above.

See my home page.

[Jenne]

Well, I'm glad you are, but the thing that scares me is that this is the very thing that's carrying the tide of so-called "public" opinion these days.  And the temperature checks all indicate this is a popular sentiment.

I mean, really?  Are all my in-laws evil by distinction?  I'm harboring one now, straight from Toronto.  By way of Pakistan and Afghanistan.  Is SHE evil, too?

Seems every red-neck, Tea Partying, Sarah-Palin-worshipping, have no idea what Islam is about let alone knowing personally any Muslims AT ALL, fuckhead yahoos are just ALLOWED by the mainstream to have the most assinine misdirections about what we REALLY fucking need in the US!

What a waste!

Also, welcome to The Future, Jenne.   

  I knows it.

Yeah, the really horrible thing is that The Future is just like the past, only we make more excuses for it.  It's still all about getting laid, grabbing everything you can, stirring up hatred to cover your tracks, and kicking the mortal shit out of smudgy people.

And in a hundred years, The Future will look just the same, with maybe a few more bells and whistles.

  You cut me deep, Rog.  Horrible Tr00f is Horrible.  But I'll still rail against it, I suppose.  Better than nothing?

@Aucoq: thanks!

@Peleus:  You should.  If you want to "get into the spirit," fast for a day and then go.  It's a bit wearying.

[Jenne]

I think I'm going to Facebook the above.

See my home page.

NO WAY!  I can't log in till after I leave work, though.  I have spies at work! 

[Doktor Howl]

  You cut me deep, Rog.  Horrible Tr00f is Horrible.  But I'll still rail against it, I suppose.  Better than nothing?

1.  Yeah, but it's still The Truth (as far as can be told, hell, a meteor might kill us all tomorrow), and there's no sense hiding from it.

2.  Yeah, it's better than nothing, provided you preach to more than the choir.