an argument for a deflationary policy in the You Ess of Heeeeey

[Disco Pickle]

your situation exists, and hindsight is always 20/20, so I'm guessing you would have made more prudent decisions, even though at the time, he seemed like a good enough guy.  maybe.  everyone has made less than thoughtful decisions regarding the people we let in our lives emotionally and sexually.  Not knowing you, but knowing intimately, many people in your situation, my position has always been that they should have given their relationship much more time before children came along.  

RIGHT.  SO DROP THE LITTLE TYKE IN AN ACID VAT AND START OVER.

that's just antagonistic..  and bears no relation to the reality of the post.

I expect nothing less from you Dok.

[Doktor Howl]

As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy.

You're a fucking idiot.

Just saying.

I when I read that. I'll be paying my shit off for another 4 years.

This is what makes Libertarians so much fun to have around.

[Doktor Howl]

your situation exists, and hindsight is always 20/20, so I'm guessing you would have made more prudent decisions, even though at the time, he seemed like a good enough guy.  maybe.  everyone has made less than thoughtful decisions regarding the people we let in our lives emotionally and sexually.  Not knowing you, but knowing intimately, many people in your situation, my position has always been that they should have given their relationship much more time before children came along.  

RIGHT.  SO DROP THE LITTLE TYKE IN AN ACID VAT AND START OVER.

that's just antagonistic..  and bears no relation to the reality of the post.

I expect nothing less from you Dok.

Well, your solution was "you shouldn't have gotten into that predicament in the first place", which is exactly the moralistic fucking twaddle I expect from Libertarians.  I couldn't resist.

[Freeky]

As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy.

You're a fucking idiot.

Just saying.

so what ARE the costs?

I know at least one person who is taking advantage of the social court system in order to fight against denying him visitation, even though he pays child support.

this is not something for which he pays out of pocket.  

He is filing papers and being supplied with an attorney.

Maybe I'm missing what you're saying, if you're saying anything at all.

Cost #1: Filing fees. Deferred, in my case.
Cost #2: Having my ex served by the Sheriff (possibly twice).
Cost #3: Some class we both have to go to.
Cost #4: Copies of EVERYTHING @ fifty cents a page. Hundreds of pages = lots of money.
Cost #5: Gas money to get to the courthouse, which is now 40 minutes away from where I live and a quarter tank of gas, round trip.
Cost #6: TIME.
ETA Cost #7: The packets of forms themselves, which I can't get unless I have the money on me when I go.

Notice I didn't mention anything about an attorney. That's because I don't have one, and neither does he, and we won't get them because he's always broke from buying shit he doesn't need and I'm dirt poor.

[Doktor Howl]

As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy.

You're a fucking idiot.

Just saying.

so what ARE the costs?

I know at least one person who is taking advantage of the social court system in order to fight against denying him visitation, even though he pays child support.

this is not something for which he pays out of pocket. 

He is filing papers and being supplied with an attorney.

Maybe I'm missing what you're saying, if you're saying anything at all.

Where do you live?  Fantasyland?  Even with fee waivers and the like, there's still court costs out the ass.

And if the court denies visitation, there's usually a pretty fucking good reason for it.

And no state I know of provides an attorney for custody unless it's a paternity issue (for the mother only, she gets a DA, as it's "quasi-legal", meaning the state is stepping in, in the interests of a minor).

I think you're full of shit, and now you've backed yourself into a corner.  But by all means, do continue to dig your heels in and screech.

[Disco Pickle]

As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy.

You're a fucking idiot.

Just saying.

I when I read that. I'll be paying my shit off for another 4 years.

This is what makes Libertarians so much fun to have around.

so let me get this straight..  you have no income, yet the state is requiring you to pay court costs in order to get money from the guy who owes you money?  

as I stated earlier, child support laws vary state to state, I may be referencing some pretty cut throat laws that flordia has on the books that has no relevance to your own state.

they dont fuck around in florida with child support, and we have some of the most serious laws on the books..  you also have access to public attorneys that will fight for your right to compensation at costs reflecting your ability to pay.  

we may be arguing apples and oranges with regard to state laws.

[Phox]

so let me get this straight..  you have no income, yet the state is requiring you to pay court costs in order to get money from the guy who owes you money?  

Yes.

as I stated earlier, child support laws vary state to state, I may be referencing some pretty cut throat laws that flordia has on the books that has no relevance to your own state.

they dont fuck around in florida with child support, and we have some of the most serious laws on the books..  

Don't know for Florida but....

you also have access to public attorneys that will fight for your right to compensation at costs reflecting your ability to pay.  

NO.

we may be arguing apples and oranges with regard to state laws.

Yes.

[Freeky]

As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy.

You're a fucking idiot.

Just saying.

I when I read that. I'll be paying my shit off for another 4 years.

This is what makes Libertarians so much fun to have around.

so let me get this straight..  you have no income, yet the state is requiring you to pay court costs in order to get money from the guy who owes you money?  

as I stated earlier, child support laws vary state to state, I may be referencing some pretty cut throat laws that flordia has on the books that has no relevance to your own state.

they dont fuck around in florida with child support, and we have some of the most serious laws on the books..  you also have access to public attorneys that will fight for your right to compensation at costs reflecting your ability to pay.  

we may be arguing apples and oranges with regard to state laws.

Possibly, but we have some of the most efficient courts down here. AZ doesn't fuck around with child support either, nor does it waste time with minutiae. You're expected to have your shit done when you arrive, and gtfo when you're done.

[Disco Pickle]

As I understand it, you can use the court system, at no cost to you, to get child support from the guy.

You're a fucking idiot.

Just saying.

so what ARE the costs?

I know at least one person who is taking advantage of the social court system in order to fight against denying him visitation, even though he pays child support.

this is not something for which he pays out of pocket.  

He is filing papers and being supplied with an attorney.

Maybe I'm missing what you're saying, if you're saying anything at all.

Cost #1: Filing fees. Deferred, in my case.
Cost #2: Having my ex served by the Sheriff (possibly twice).
Cost #3: Some class we both have to go to.
Cost #4: Copies of EVERYTHING @ fifty cents a page. Hundreds of pages = lots of money.
Cost #5: Gas money to get to the courthouse, which is now 40 minutes away from where I live and a quarter tank of gas, round trip.
Cost #6: TIME.
ETA Cost #7: The packets of forms themselves, which I can't get unless I have the money on me when I go.

Notice I didn't mention anything about an attorney. That's because I don't have one, and neither does he, and we won't get them because he's always broke from buying shit he doesn't need and I'm dirt poor.

cannot argue incidental costs.  They exist.  not even mentioning the sort of hoops you have to jump through if you're full time employed.

Admittedly, I'm imagining you have some support structure out side of just supporting yourself.  family, friends, people willing to help you, that love you and would go out of their way.

I'm naked against the argument if you truly find yourself alone. (not that you do, I don't know your situation)  You deserve all the help the state can provide for you and your family.

No one should find themselves alone, with no resources to use.  

I concede that argument with no retort if this is what we're discussing.  I agree completely.

It falls out of the scope of what I WAS discussing, and I should have clarified.

[East Coast Hustle]

FUCKING TOOLBOXES, HOW DO THEY WORK?

[East Coast Hustle]

We're finding out ITT.

[Doktor Howl]

so let me get this straight..  you have no income, yet the state is requiring you to pay court costs in order to get money from the guy who owes you money?  

Welcome to Arizona.  Please to wear a hat.

[Doktor Howl]

Admittedly, I'm imagining you have some support structure out side of just supporting yourself.  family, friends, people willing to help you, that love you and would go out of their way.

ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES?

[Freeky]

When you make your posts clear and succinct in what you're trying to say, communication gets a lot easier, don't you agree?

I have nothing more to argue, since I understand better where you are coming from.

Carry on.

[Doktor Howl]

FUCKING TOOLBOXES, HOW DO THEY WORK?

Arguably, I can't be held responsible for my actions.