an argument for a deflationary policy in the You Ess of Heeeeey

[Freeky]

Admittedly, I'm imagining you have some support structure out side of just supporting yourself.  family, friends, people willing to help you, that love you and would go out of their way.

ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES?

I 'd.

[Phox]

my proposed system exists, it's simply inflationary rather than deflationary.

My Proposed system exists too, it just works in the opposite way it's supposed to. Just like yours, as you have just stated.

central banks have a stated goal to for "price stability" and yeah, that's been working great.

"encourage high employment"  they're doing a stand up job.

You'll never hear me advocating for a central bank, but if we have to live with one, I'd advocate for policies that don't fuck the poor while bankrolling the rich.

Okay. I'm not sure what your point is with that.

what sort of banking system exists in your "good ol fashioned communism"??

well, in true communism, there wouldn't need to be a banking system, because there wouldn't be currency. So, none whatsoever.

To bring us back from the side-track....

[Disco Pickle]

When you make your posts clear and succinct in what you're trying to say, communication gets a lot easier, don't you agree?

I have nothing more to argue, since I understand better where you are coming from.

Carry on.

I'll work on how I communicate my ideas.  I'm just getting back in to putting them in writing.

Admittedly, I'm imagining you have some support structure out side of just supporting yourself.  family, friends, people willing to help you, that love you and would go out of their way.

ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES?

I'm not clear on your meaning.

elaborate for me.

[Doktor Howl]

When you make your posts clear and succinct in what you're trying to say, communication gets a lot easier, don't you agree?

I have nothing more to argue, since I understand better where you are coming from.

Carry on.

I'll work on how I communicate my ideas.  I'm just getting back in to putting them in writing.

Admittedly, I'm imagining you have some support structure out side of just supporting yourself.  family, friends, people willing to help you, that love you and would go out of their way.

ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES?

I'm not clear on your meaning.

elaborate for me.

It was Ebeneezer Scrooge's reply to his assistant, when upbraided for not giving a pauper alms on Christmas Eve.

In short, I was being a jackass.

[Disco Pickle]

my proposed system exists, it's simply inflationary rather than deflationary.

My Proposed system exists too, it just works in the opposite way it's supposed to. Just like yours, as you have just stated.

central banks have a stated goal to for "price stability" and yeah, that's been working great.

"encourage high employment"  they're doing a stand up job.

You'll never hear me advocating for a central bank, but if we have to live with one, I'd advocate for policies that don't fuck the poor while bankrolling the rich.

Okay. I'm not sure what your point is with that.

what sort of banking system exists in your "good ol fashioned communism"??

well, in true communism, there wouldn't need to be a banking system, because there wouldn't be currency. So, none whatsoever.

To bring us back from the side-track....

I need more information here.

so there would be no trading of goods?

labor would be equal no matter how much time it took to produce a product?

[Disco Pickle]

When you make your posts clear and succinct in what you're trying to say, communication gets a lot easier, don't you agree?

I have nothing more to argue, since I understand better where you are coming from.

Carry on.

I'll work on how I communicate my ideas.  I'm just getting back in to putting them in writing.

Admittedly, I'm imagining you have some support structure out side of just supporting yourself.  family, friends, people willing to help you, that love you and would go out of their way.

ARE THERE NO WORKHOUSES?

I'm not clear on your meaning.

elaborate for me.

It was Ebeneezer Scrooge's reply to his assistant, when upbraided for not giving a pauper alms on Christmas Eve.

In short, I was being a jackass.

ah.  I'm getting used to your style.  give me a month or so more.  I'll have it down to where I either enjoy it, rage against it, or ignore it.

[Phox]

I need more information here.

so there would be no trading of goods?

No. Completely unnecessary. Everyone gets an equal share of everything.

labor would be equal no matter how much time it took to produce a product?

Yes. Equal shares of everything mean equal shares of labor as well. However, there is some degree of freedom in what sort of labor you do on a given day, but.. that's a different discussion.

[Doktor Howl]

ah.  I'm getting used to your style.  give me a month or so more.  I'll have it down to where I either enjoy it, rage against it, or ignore it.

Well, by then we'll have either cured you of your ism or you'll have exploded.

[Elder Iptuous]

I'm guessing all three, but if you play your cards right, you enjoy it more than anything.

[Disco Pickle]

I need more information here.

so there would be no trading of goods?

No. Completely unnecessary. Everyone gets an equal share of everything.

labor would be equal no matter how much time it took to produce a product?

Yes. Equal shares of everything mean equal shares of labor as well. However, there is some degree of freedom in what sort of labor you do on a given day, but.. that's a different discussion.

(I'm going to use a personal real life example here) what about the guy who has to spend 10 hours a day say..  producing engineering drawings for a company that manufactures electrical switchgear that helps distribute power for the rest of the country..  he gets his "equal share" while putting in 50 hour weeks to provide for new demand..   that's on balance with the guy who puts in 40 hours doing something mundane that requires no functional knowledge other than how to push a broom?  

-edited for massive grammar errors-

[Phox]

I need more information here.

so there would be no trading of goods?

No. Completely unnecessary. Everyone gets an equal share of everything.

labor would be equal no matter how much time it took to produce a product?

Yes. Equal shares of everything mean equal shares of labor as well. However, there is some degree of freedom in what sort of labor you do on a given day, but.. that's a different discussion.

(I'm going to use a personal real life example here) what about the guy who has to spend 10 hours a day say..  producing engineering drawings so that the company that manufactures electrical switchgear that helps distribute power for the rest of the country..  he gets his "equal share" while putting in 50 hour weeks to provide for new demand..   that's on balance with the guy who puts in 40 hours doing some mundane that requires no functional knowledge other than how to push a broom? 

A person drawing engineering plans chose to draw engineering plans. Somebody has to draw them, or not, but let's keep away from the technological argument for now. So, they chose to do that. They would do it for the amount of time they did it, and get their equal share, just like the person pushing the broom, or curing cancer, or clerking at the gas station. Everybody is equal, and everyone's job is of equal importance. In true communism, there is no government to make you do your job, you do it because you want to help the community by producing (or servicing) such an amount that makes up for your share. No more, no less.

[Disco Pickle]

I need more information here.

so there would be no trading of goods?

No. Completely unnecessary. Everyone gets an equal share of everything.

labor would be equal no matter how much time it took to produce a product?

Yes. Equal shares of everything mean equal shares of labor as well. However, there is some degree of freedom in what sort of labor you do on a given day, but.. that's a different discussion.

(I'm going to use a personal real life example here) what about the guy who has to spend 10 hours a day say..  producing engineering drawings so that the company that manufactures electrical switchgear that helps distribute power for the rest of the country..  he gets his "equal share" while putting in 50 hour weeks to provide for new demand..   that's on balance with the guy who puts in 40 hours doing some mundane that requires no functional knowledge other than how to push a broom? 

A person drawing engineering plans chose to draw engineering plans. Somebody has to draw them, or not, but let's keep away from the technological argument for now. So, they chose to do that. They would do it for the amount of time they did it, and get their equal share, just like the person pushing the broom, or curing cancer, or clerking at the gas station. Everybody is equal, and everyone's job is of equal importance. In true communism, there is no government to make you do your job, you do it because you want to help the community by producing (or servicing) such an amount that makes up for your share. No more, no less.

technology plays a part in the advancement of any society.

I choose to do it because it's a satisfying field to me, and I take pride in creating something that benefits others.  I'm a fucking anomaly in your system.

how do you account for the measure of time it takes to actually produce something, and the inevitable HUMAN animosity when people begin to realize that you can have your needs met just like "that guy who only works 40 hours" by just doing the bare minimum?

and I thought libertarians believed in a utopia.

[Disco Pickle]

I need more information here.

so there would be no trading of goods?

No. Completely unnecessary. Everyone gets an equal share of everything.

labor would be equal no matter how much time it took to produce a product?

Yes. Equal shares of everything mean equal shares of labor as well. However, there is some degree of freedom in what sort of labor you do on a given day, but.. that's a different discussion.

(I'm going to use a personal real life example here) what about the guy who has to spend 10 hours a day say..  producing engineering drawings so that the company that manufactures electrical switchgear that helps distribute power for the rest of the country..  he gets his "equal share" while putting in 50 hour weeks to provide for new demand..   that's on balance with the guy who puts in 40 hours doing some mundane that requires no functional knowledge other than how to push a broom? 

A person drawing engineering plans chose to draw engineering plans. Somebody has to draw them, or not, but let's keep away from the technological argument for now. So, they chose to do that. They would do it for the amount of time they did it, and get their equal share, just like the person pushing the broom, or curing cancer, or clerking at the gas station. Everybody is equal, and everyone's job is of equal importance. In true communism, there is no government to make you do your job, you do it because you want to help the community by producing (or servicing) such an amount that makes up for your share. No more, no less.

I forgot to address this..

what's to keep people from doing NOTHING and still receiving their "fair share" under this system?

[Doktor Howl]

I need more information here.

so there would be no trading of goods?

No. Completely unnecessary. Everyone gets an equal share of everything.

labor would be equal no matter how much time it took to produce a product?

Yes. Equal shares of everything mean equal shares of labor as well. However, there is some degree of freedom in what sort of labor you do on a given day, but.. that's a different discussion.

(I'm going to use a personal real life example here) what about the guy who has to spend 10 hours a day say..  producing engineering drawings so that the company that manufactures electrical switchgear that helps distribute power for the rest of the country..  he gets his "equal share" while putting in 50 hour weeks to provide for new demand..   that's on balance with the guy who puts in 40 hours doing some mundane that requires no functional knowledge other than how to push a broom? 

A person drawing engineering plans chose to draw engineering plans. Somebody has to draw them, or not, but let's keep away from the technological argument for now. So, they chose to do that. They would do it for the amount of time they did it, and get their equal share, just like the person pushing the broom, or curing cancer, or clerking at the gas station. Everybody is equal, and everyone's job is of equal importance. In true communism, there is no government to make you do your job, you do it because you want to help the community by producing (or servicing) such an amount that makes up for your share. No more, no less.

I forgot to address this..

what's to keep people from doing NOTHING and still receiving their "fair share" under this system?

NOTHING.  That's why it doesn't work.

[Disco Pickle]

I need more information here.

so there would be no trading of goods?

No. Completely unnecessary. Everyone gets an equal share of everything.

labor would be equal no matter how much time it took to produce a product?

Yes. Equal shares of everything mean equal shares of labor as well. However, there is some degree of freedom in what sort of labor you do on a given day, but.. that's a different discussion.

(I'm going to use a personal real life example here) what about the guy who has to spend 10 hours a day say..  producing engineering drawings so that the company that manufactures electrical switchgear that helps distribute power for the rest of the country..  he gets his "equal share" while putting in 50 hour weeks to provide for new demand..   that's on balance with the guy who puts in 40 hours doing some mundane that requires no functional knowledge other than how to push a broom? 

A person drawing engineering plans chose to draw engineering plans. Somebody has to draw them, or not, but let's keep away from the technological argument for now. So, they chose to do that. They would do it for the amount of time they did it, and get their equal share, just like the person pushing the broom, or curing cancer, or clerking at the gas station. Everybody is equal, and everyone's job is of equal importance. In true communism, there is no government to make you do your job, you do it because you want to help the community by producing (or servicing) such an amount that makes up for your share. No more, no less.

I forgot to address this..

what's to keep people from doing NOTHING and still receiving their "fair share" under this system?

NOTHING.  That's why it doesn't work.

that's what I was likely getting to, but I wanted to hear his answer.