Race and ethnicity maps of cities

[AFK]

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis.  

For real?  He actually said that?

Well, I suppose I exaggerated it slightly as he didn't use the word "ruin", but he did say this:

"This large number of new arrivals cannot continue without negative results for all. The Somali community must exercise some discipline and reduce the stress on our limited finances and our generosity."

and this

"Only with your help will we be successful in the future-please pass the word: We have been overwhelmed and have responded valiantly. Now we need breathing room. Our city is maxed-out financially, physically and emotionally."

In other words, we're full, were broke, please stop coming.

[Disco Pickle]

perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM.  

You know, for the sake of property values.

does that mean you think that only whites think that way?  (before you get all pissed, Im asking because Im not clear on what you're saying)

your comment about property values seemed to imply something like that to me.  I could be mistaken.

1.  Monkeys of all varieties think that way.

2.  You're the one who brought up income and property values.  Because we know that THEY are always poor.

who is THEY?  anyone you're not?

That's what I'm taking away from this thread.

so who are the POOR you mentioned?

[Freeky]

since it's census data, it does depend on just how many people actually turned in the forms.

The census requires people to send their forms back. There are several phases after the initial one (where people just mail them back) to make sure they have as many as possible. I'm pretty sure they get about 95% - 98% back, after everything is said and done.

[Doktor Howl]

perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM.  

You know, for the sake of property values.

does that mean you think that only whites think that way?  (before you get all pissed, Im asking because Im not clear on what you're saying)

your comment about property values seemed to imply something like that to me.  I could be mistaken.

1.  Monkeys of all varieties think that way.

2.  You're the one who brought up income and property values.  Because we know that THEY are always poor.

who is THEY?  anyone you're not?

That's what I'm taking away from this thread.

so who are the POOR you mentioned?

THEY are, apparently, judging by your curiosity concerning income and property values.

They being "people not like you", I must imagine.

[East Coast Hustle]

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis.  

For real?  He actually said that?

He really did. And the reality is that Lewiston is such a shithole that even being invaded by Mongols would only improve the place.

That said, if it's anything like Portland, ME (which also has a large Somali refugee population), there are some definite issues with their ability to accept the cultural norms of their new home. I'm all for immigration regardless of race or ethnicity, and the Somalis have definitely brought some cultural vibrancy to a once-drab place, but most Mainers don't like to see someone beating their wife in public for letting her head scarf slip. I have seen this myself, not saying it happens often but it does happen and things like that tend to make an impression which leads to a perception of commonness that may not jibe with reality.

[Disco Pickle]

perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

Sure.

THEY live there.  Don't go there.

do you think that will ever go away?

Not if we're careful to make sure people don't go around THEM.  

You know, for the sake of property values.

does that mean you think that only whites think that way?  (before you get all pissed, Im asking because Im not clear on what you're saying)

your comment about property values seemed to imply something like that to me.  I could be mistaken.

1.  Monkeys of all varieties think that way.

2.  You're the one who brought up income and property values.  Because we know that THEY are always poor.

who is THEY?  anyone you're not?

That's what I'm taking away from this thread.

so who are the POOR you mentioned?

THEY are, apparently, judging by your curiosity concerning income and property values.

They being "people not like you", I must imagine.

you're making big leaps about my character.

I get the feeling you're wanting to call me a racist but haven't come out and said it.

[Dysnomia]

San Jose's isn't accurate at all.  Too many white people.  I don't think it's even accurate for ten years ago. 

[Freeky]

San Jose's isn't accurate at all.  Too many white people.  I don't think it's even accurate for ten years ago. 

I can actually explain this, a little bit. "Mexican" is not a race, not according to the census, so a lot of them may have marked "White" instead.

[Doktor Howl]

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis.  

For real?  He actually said that?

He really did. And the reality is that Lewiston is such a shithole that even being invaded by Mongols would only improve the place.

That said, if it's anything like Portland, ME (which also has a large Somali refugee population), there are some definite issues with their ability to accept the cultural norms of their new home. I'm all for immigration regardless of race or ethnicity, and the Somalis have definitely brought some cultural vibrancy to a once-drab place, but most Mainers don't like to see someone beating their wife in public for letting her head scarf slip. I have seen this myself, not saying it happens often but it does happen and things like that tend to make an impression which leads to a perception of commonness that may not jibe with reality.

We have a huge Somali refugee population here, too.  They don't seem to have the same issues with domestic violence and/or religion that you describe, though.  While many women wear traditional dress, just as many don't, and they have no higher rate of domestic violence than anyone else.

We have refugees from EVERYWHERE here, and the various groups of Africans have settled in very nicely, and seem to be the only ones that don't pine for the old sod.

[Doktor Howl]

you're making big leaps about my character.

I get the feeling you're wanting to call me a racist but haven't come out and said it.

If I wanted to call you a racist, I would have called you a racist.  Ask around...I'm not the bashful type.

I'm just a little curious about the income/property values comment, is all.

[Freeky]

They've had a great model of acceptance to.  Like when the mayor (now former mayor) publicly announced to the Somali community that they were ruining the city and needed to stop moving in.  Nevermind that the facts clearly show it is the poor white population of the area that is the biggest burden upon social services and welfare services, not the Somalis.  

For real?  He actually said that?

He really did. And the reality is that Lewiston is such a shithole that even being invaded by Mongols would only improve the place.

That said, if it's anything like Portland, ME (which also has a large Somali refugee population), there are some definite issues with their ability to accept the cultural norms of their new home. I'm all for immigration regardless of race or ethnicity, and the Somalis have definitely brought some cultural vibrancy to a once-drab place, but most Mainers don't like to see someone beating their wife in public for letting her head scarf slip. I have seen this myself, not saying it happens often but it does happen and things like that tend to make an impression which leads to a perception of commonness that may not jibe with reality.

We have a huge Somali refugee population here, too.  They don't seem to have the same issues with domestic violence and/or religion that you describe, though.  While many women wear traditional dress, just as many don't, and they have no higher rate of domestic violence than anyone else.

We have refugees from EVERYWHERE here, and the various groups of Africans have settled in very nicely, and seem to be the only ones that don't pine for the old sod.

I always liked riding the bus past the UA, since usually there were a few of them riding along that stretch speaking in that neat French-ish language, and it was nice to listen to.

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Major bullshit.
I'm 5000 miles from home.

[Disco Pickle]

you're making big leaps about my character.

I get the feeling you're wanting to call me a racist but haven't come out and said it.

If I wanted to call you a racist, I would have called you a racist.  Ask around...I'm not the bashful type.

I'm just a little curious about the income/property values comment, is all.

I'm curious because some of the fastest rising values (before the bust) was my cities "inner city" downtown area.  It's still expensive to buy there relative to some other places.  Not that I think "THEY" are always poor, but it'd be nice to have some data that shows otherwise so I can toss it out when I hear some dumbass say something along those lines.

and since when is intellectual curiosity about a real trend (people of similar ethnic background living closely together) basis for implying someone is a racist?


I may be digging there, since I accept that if you thought I was, you would have said it already, and were probably fishing for a comment from me that would tell you definitively one way or the other.  

It's genuine curiosity and a wish to dispel certain preconceived notions in any assholes I might run into spouting nonsense.

and you have a strange way of showing curiosity.  why no just ask questions?

[Doktor Howl]

perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Major bullshit.
I'm 5000 miles from home.

DP lives in the middle ages, Squid.  You have to make allowances.

Dok,
Also about 5000 miles from home.

[Doktor Howl]

you're making big leaps about my character.

I get the feeling you're wanting to call me a racist but haven't come out and said it.

If I wanted to call you a racist, I would have called you a racist.  Ask around...I'm not the bashful type.

I'm just a little curious about the income/property values comment, is all.

I'm curious because some of the fastest rising values (before the bust) was my cities "inner city" downtown area.  It's still expensive to buy there relative to some other places.  Not that I think "THEY" are always poor, but it'd be nice to have some data that shows otherwise so I can toss it out when I hear some dumbass say something along those lines.

and since when is intellectual curiosity about a real trend (people of similar ethnic background living closely together) basis for implying someone is a racist?


I may be digging there, since I accept that if you thought I was, you would have said it already, and were probably fishing for a comment from me that would tell you definitively one way or the other.  

It's genuine curiosity and a wish to dispel certain preconceived notions in any assholes I might run into spouting nonsense.

and you have a strange way of showing curiosity.  why no just ask questions?

Because attaching a shackle to your leg and pulling it with a Chevy Big 10 is more fun?

Dok,
Is reasonably certain he warned you that he's a horrible cunt.