Race and ethnicity maps of cities

[Doktor Howl]

http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~fe2r/papers/essay.pdf

pages 15-17 have some graphs..  the preceding pages explain the limits on the data gathered during certain time periods.

it's a good read if you're the type that likes digesting this stuff, otherwise it's going to seem dry.

[EDIT] page 14 has a table with numbers, forgot to add that.

That covers regions.

Unless you're suggesting that the Midwest, for example, is only 10 miles wide.

[Bruno]

perhaps the talk about division is because it's real, as the maps seem to indicate.

but we choose to divide ourselves. 

The fact that most people never live more than 10 miles from where they were born could be playing a large factor in keeping the racial divisions in neighborhoods.  Where you were born becomes your home and a place that you identify as such.

I'd be interested to know where this data correlates to income and property values.

Fact: Everyone in Tucson is from somewhere else, and no one outside of Tucson is from here.

I'm about half a country away from my home.

Same here. It was a bullshit statement.

the fact that it's LESS true today than it was 100 years ago doesn't make it a bullshit statement.

If you had said 100 instead of 10, I could believe that.

Now, where I grew up, you could say that most people never live more than 10 miles from their parents' house where they grew up, but most of them were born more than ten miles from where they grew up because, well, there isn't a hospital every 10 miles around here. I was born in a hospital 40 miles away from my parents' house.

Incidentally, I now live within 10 miles of that hospital.  

[East Coast Hustle]

not that I'm doubting you, assuming you live there and are familiar with the city but.

Interesting but I call bullshit on the St. Louis one.  The colors are backwards.  

White is NOT the majority in St. Louis

. Miami however was on target.

REALLY DUDE?

I live in St. Louis now, and lived in Florida for the 20+ years prior to moving here.

Citation my ass!

what would be the gain in altering the statistics for one city?

I am one of two white families in a 5 block radius, My children were 2 of 6 white kids in the whole fucking school.  All I was saying is it was wrong for St. Louis.   I know that for a fact.  With that knowledge, we can deduce that the other cities (not all) are off as well.

maybe you just live in a mostly black neighbourhood/ school district

No, the entire city of St. Louis has a majority of black people.  There are small 2-3 block neighborhoods of whites and one hispanic section but otherwise, whites are the minority everywhere in this city.  I wasn't just refering to one public school, it has been every school my children have attended in this city.

In all fairness, if we're making DP provide links to back up his assertions, you gotta provide a source for yours too. I'm inclined to agree with you at first blush, but all I know of the Lou is the couple of times I've driven through it.

[Adios]

Yeah, if you haven't learned this by now, DP, you can't really throw out a statement like that around here and not be asked to back it up.  I find it pretty hard to believe that "most people" never live more than 10 miles from where they were born.  Certainly there are pockets of that, which will most of the time be related to socio-economic status.  But that is a decidedly different statement than saying most of all people don't live more than 10 miles from where they were born.  

Hell, the trend over the past 10 years is that there has been a net migration from the North East to the South and South West.  Lots of people have moved over the past decade so it seems unlikely to me that your assertion is accurate.  

Hell, try to find a native Coloradian in Colorado.

Let's give him a chance to link to a credible source, Charley.

Okay.

[Disco Pickle]

http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~fe2r/papers/essay.pdf

pages 15-17 have some graphs..  the preceding pages explain the limits on the data gathered during certain time periods.

it's a good read if you're the type that likes digesting this stuff, otherwise it's going to seem dry.

[EDIT] page 14 has a table with numbers, forgot to add that.

That covers regions.

Unless you're suggesting that the Midwest, for example, is only 10 miles wide.

page 17 gives inter-county mobility.  

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

According to the 2000 United States Census[59], there were 348,189 people, 147,076 households, and 76,920 families residing in the city. The population density  was 5,622.9 people per square mile (2,171.2/km²). There were 176,354 housing units at an average density of 2,847.9/sq mi (1,099.7/km²). The racial makeup of the city of St. Louis (as separate and distinct from St. Louis County and the rest of the MSA) was 51.20% African American, 43.85% White, 1.98% Asian, 0.27% Native American, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 0.80% from other ethnic groups, and 1.88% of two or more ethnicities. Hispanic or Latino of any ethnic group were 2.02% of the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis,_Missouri#Demographics

Now here are the county demographics, which explain all the red dots in the outlying areas:

As of the census[7] of 2000, there were 1,016,315 people, 404,312 households, and 270,889 families residing in the county. The population density  was 2,001 people per square mile (773/km²). There were 423,749 housing units at an average density of 834 per square mile (322/km²). The racial makeup of the county was 70.83% White, 24.02% African American, 0.17% Native American, 2.22% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.47% from other races, and 1.26% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.01% of the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_County,_Missouri#Demographics

[East Coast Hustle]

You know, if people were creative enough to name their county something other than the exact same thing they named the principle city in the county, this sort of confusion could be avoided.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

You know, if people were creative enough to name their county something other than the exact same thing they named the principle city in the county, this sort of confusion could be avoided.

It's not really confusion at all; it's just that the city itself is majority black at just over half, and accounts for most of the black residents in the entire county, so there are very few black people outside of the city limits and very many within the urban core, as the map represents.

[Adios]

In the United States,
according to Census 2000, over 22 million
people were domestic migrants who
changed their state of residence between
1995 and 2000. Of these domestic
migrants, approximately half relocated to
a state in a different region.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/censr-7.pdf

[Doktor Howl]

http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~fe2r/papers/essay.pdf

pages 15-17 have some graphs..  the preceding pages explain the limits on the data gathered during certain time periods.

it's a good read if you're the type that likes digesting this stuff, otherwise it's going to seem dry.

[EDIT] page 14 has a table with numbers, forgot to add that.

That covers regions.

Unless you're suggesting that the Midwest, for example, is only 10 miles wide.

page 17 gives inter-county mobility.  

How large is a county?  

Pima County, Arizona, for example, is 9,189 square miles in size, far more than the 100 square miles your argument suggests.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

In the United States,
according to Census 2000, over 22 million
people were domestic migrants who
changed their state of residence between
1995 and 2000. Of these domestic
migrants, approximately half relocated to
a state in a different region.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/censr-7.pdf

22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

Seriously, the guy's argument, that over 50% ("most") of all Americans live most of their lives within 10 miles of their original home, is not implausible. That still means that as many as 153,503,274 can move across the country, and he would still be right.

[Adios]

22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That was only over a 5 year period.

[Doktor Howl]

22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think we can all agree that most Americans travel more than ten miles during their lifetimes, and also that most Americans live away from home at some point in their lifetime. It would be silly to argue otherwise, and I don't think that's what he's arguing. The real question then, is what percentage of Americans settle down and live the bulk of their lifespan within ten miles of their original home?

[Disco Pickle]

22 million is what percentage of 307,006,550?

That's just people that moved from one state to the other.

The original assertion was 10 miles (I drive 3 times that distance just to go to work).

I'm not sure it's possible to completely qualify my statement from the available data I presented, or that CB listed.  Let me think of another way to word it, but my general gist remains the same.  More than 50% of the population ends up living close to where they were born rather than moving away.

That, I believe, can be deduced from the available data.

[EDIT] I respectfully widthdraw the square mile portion as I'm unable to back that up properly.