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DARE: Keeps kids turning in their parents.

Started by Suu, October 19, 2010, 04:07:11 PM

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Doktor Howl

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on October 19, 2010, 08:17:37 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 19, 2010, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 19, 2010, 06:42:51 PM
What is wrong with DARE that most schools don't use it, RWHN?

There have been studies that show that DARE is completely ineffective when it comes to preventing substance abuse.  Indeed, there have been studies that have shown that kids exposed to DARE are more prone to experimenting with substances.  This is because the program ends up exposing kids to information they were unaware of.  A kid doesn't know anything about pots and joints.  He goes through DARE, maybe they actually pass a joint around to see what it looks like.  Now he's curious. 

The other reason schools are turning away from it is that the scant few resources out there for substance abuse prevention mandate that your programming is evidence-based.  Backed by research and proven to have measurable and positive outcomes.  DARE isn't evidence based.  So if a school wants DARE they have to pay for it with their own money and can't pay for it with state or federal grant money. 

While we're on the topic of things that don't work, you can add mock car-crashes and beer goggles.  They're great to create a spectacle and get your local news media to show up, but they are piss poor (I'm being charitable) when it comes to actually making a difference. 

DARE pretty much only succeeds in making kids think that adults are stupid, and liars.

I have to agree with this.  They're essentially the same as Liars for Jesus.
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TOTALLY had that effect on me

it also had the effect of making me very skeptical about anti-drug data.

They were essentially telling us that marijuana and heroin are the same thing. And when I learned that they are not, it made me curious about what else I was missing out.

Dysnomia

I had DARE in elementry school, became a little drug/alcohol nazi for a while, and I turned out just fine...with my pretty pink pipe and good friend who deals.   :lulz:
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I never had DARE, but they did show a movie where pot made your face slide off and your babies come out sideways. After the movie we all smoked a joint.

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Quote from: Charley Brown on October 19, 2010, 08:36:12 PM
I never had DARE, but they did show a movie where pot made your face slide off and your babies come out sideways. After the movie we all smoked a joint.

:lulz:

But seriously, they had movies back then?!

:p
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Quote from: Ratatosk on October 19, 2010, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: Charley Brown on October 19, 2010, 08:36:12 PM
I never had DARE, but they did show a movie where pot made your face slide off and your babies come out sideways. After the movie we all smoked a joint.

:lulz:

But seriously, they had movies back then?!

:p

:argh!:

Silent ones.  :lulz:

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Quote from: Charley Brown on October 19, 2010, 08:36:12 PM
I never had DARE, but they did show a movie where pot made your face slide off and your babies come out sideways.

:lulz:
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Hustles story reminds me of my friends, when they passed the joints around... one came up missing. So the officer is like I'm going to pass these back out and if its not there, I'm searching everyone. They ended up getting one extra back
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Quote from: Pēleus on October 19, 2010, 10:44:52 PM
Hustles story reminds me of my friends, when they passed the joints around... one came up missing. So the officer is like I'm going to pass these back out and if its not there, I'm searching everyone. They ended up getting one extra back

:lulz:

better safe than sorry, but I bet that guy was PISSED.
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Did anyone remember something called G.R.E.A.T. back in the day?

Also I remember becoming suspicious with D.A.R.E. when I noticed that different instructors would give completely different "side-effects" of marijuana.
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Cain

Our first "drugs talk" was in a science class video, so it was pretty right on.  Our second one was by a teacher who was a former cop, and aside from giving it the old "I saw a kid who took LSD, thought he could fly, jumped out of a window, how tragic" was pretty on the facts.

So I guess I got lucky.

Juana

I vaguely remember DARE. I don't remember much of what they said, but I do remember they brought a red Lamborghini our police department confiscated from a drug dealer.

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on October 19, 2010, 07:02:09 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on October 19, 2010, 06:42:51 PM
What is wrong with DARE that most schools don't use it, RWHN?

There have been studies that show that DARE is completely ineffective when it comes to preventing substance abuse.  Indeed, there have been studies that have shown that kids exposed to DARE are more prone to experimenting with substances.  This is because the program ends up exposing kids to information they were unaware of.  A kid doesn't know anything about pots and joints.  He goes through DARE, maybe they actually pass a joint around to see what it looks like.  Now he's curious. 

The other reason schools are turning away from it is that the scant few resources out there for substance abuse prevention mandate that your programming is evidence-based.  Backed by research and proven to have measurable and positive outcomes.  DARE isn't evidence based.  So if a school wants DARE they have to pay for it with their own money and can't pay for it with state or federal grant money. 

While we're on the topic of things that don't work, you can add mock car-crashes and beer goggles.  They're great to create a spectacle and get your local news media to show up, but they are piss poor (I'm being charitable) when it comes to actually making a difference. 
We had the Every Thirty Seconds or whatever the fuck they called it in high school - the mock car crash thing, complete with "dead" school mates, cops, helicopters, a grim reaper wandering around, and a massive interruption of the school ay. It was extremely silly and did absolutely nothing. As I recall, as many people as possible ditched out, leaving about a third of the combine junior/senior class who actually went. I sort of circled the edge with my camera.
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Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:52:40 PM
Did anyone remember something called G.R.E.A.T. back in the day?

Also I remember becoming suspicious with D.A.R.E. when I noticed that different instructors would give completely different "side-effects" of marijuana.

HAHA, Gang. Resistance. Education. And. Training...

I went to something like seven different elementary schools and three jr. highs, being a military brat/product of divorce, so I've been through the wringer with that sort of shit... I had to do at least three different DARE programs, not to mention as many "health" classes as schools I attended (including one my freshman year of high school. (I FUCKING ALREADY KNOW WHERE BABIES AND AIDS COME FROM< I GET IT ALREADY.) Only one of those schools had G.R.E.A.T, and it also happened to be one of the most suburban schools I ever attended.

Dysnomia

Quote from: Cain on October 19, 2010, 11:23:21 PM
Our first "drugs talk" was in a science class video, so it was pretty right on.  Our second one was by a teacher who was a former cop, and aside from giving it the old "I saw a kid who took LSD, thought he could fly, jumped out of a window, how tragic" was pretty on the facts.

So I guess I got lucky.

the key to solving this issue is to make sure you are always on the ground floor while dropping LSD.  That way, not too far to fall.   :lulz:
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Quote from: eighteen buddha strike on October 20, 2010, 08:16:46 AM
Quote from: Lord Glittersnatch on October 19, 2010, 10:52:40 PM
Did anyone remember something called G.R.E.A.T. back in the day?

Also I remember becoming suspicious with D.A.R.E. when I noticed that different instructors would give completely different "side-effects" of marijuana.

HAHA, Gang. Resistance. Education. And. Training...

I went to something like seven different elementary schools and three jr. highs, being a military brat/product of divorce, so I've been through the wringer with that sort of shit... I had to do at least three different DARE programs, not to mention as many "health" classes as schools I attended (including one my freshman year of high school. (I FUCKING ALREADY KNOW WHERE BABIES AND AIDS COME FROM< I GET IT ALREADY.) Only one of those schools had G.R.E.A.T, and it also happened to be one of the most suburban schools I ever attended.

I know what you mean. I moved from Pheonix the a small town upper Michigan. It blew my mind that this little backwoods place would have Gang education when their biggest problem was drunk driving.
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