ATTN lady grinning soul, nigel, suu

[the last yatto]

Congrats!

(You can request your child to not have a SS#, which is perfectly legal, and kinda shows you how abused the ss# has become in the private corporate world, who aren't supposed to use it anyway. You are only required to put your ss# down on government forms that have a waiver that says it's required. The really hard part is renouncing one, once it's been assigned to you without your permission)

Reading up, seems the IRS requires it for tax purposes
As do banks

but seems you still have to pay income tax
and can't get any government services without one

So trying to see why anyone would want to opt out

[Telarus]

Congrats!

(You can request your child to not have a SS#, which is perfectly legal, and kinda shows you how abused the ss# has become in the private corporate world, who aren't supposed to use it anyway. You are only required to put your ss# down on government forms that have a waiver that says it's required. The really hard part is renouncing one, once it's been assigned to you without your permission)

Reading up, seems the IRS requires it for tax purposes
As do banks

but seems you still have to pay income tax
and can't get any government services without one

So trying to see why anyone would want to opt out

SSN# is not required to pay taxes or by banks. The IRS issues a specific number called a "Taxpayer ID Number" to any person/entity that doesn't have a SSN# (and then says that people can use their SSN# as an alternate to the TID)

The fact that you give out your SSN# at the drop of a hat to banks or on job applications is pure, unadulterated, cultural manipulation.

[Epimetheus]

Er, Telarus, "SSN#"? That's "Social Security Number Number"?

[the last yatto]

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/82/related/1

Claiming child on my taxes, opening a bank account or buying a savings bond

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Congrats!

(You can request your child to not have a SS#, which is perfectly legal, and kinda shows you how abused the ss# has become in the private corporate world, who aren't supposed to use it anyway. You are only required to put your ss# down on government forms that have a waiver that says it's required. The really hard part is renouncing one, once it's been assigned to you without your permission)

Reading up, seems the IRS requires it for tax purposes
As do banks

but seems you still have to pay income tax
and can't get any government services without one

So trying to see why anyone would want to opt out

SSN# is not required to pay taxes or by banks. The IRS issues a specific number called a "Taxpayer ID Number" to any person/entity that doesn't have a SSN# (and then says that people can use their SSN# as an alternate to the TID)

The fact that you give out your SSN# at the drop of a hat to banks or on job applications is pure, unadulterated, cultural manipulation.

You can only get an ITIN if you are ineligible for an SSN.

ITIN

An ITIN, or Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, is a tax processing number only available for certain nonresident and resident aliens, their spouses, and dependents who cannot get a Social Security Number (SSN). It is a 9-digit number, beginning with the number "9", formatted like an SSN (NNN-NN-NNNN).

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=96696,00.html

[Telarus]

Sorry, confused my terms.

Not (ITIN), just TIN:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=96696,00.html

EDIT: Huh, I see that the IRS has allowed the SS admin to directly issue SSNs as TINs.

That's a change from the last time I researched this.

[Telarus]

Aaah, I see they made it harder to pull this trick.

They shuffled the qualifications for "sole proprietorship and freelanceers" from ITIN down to Employer Identification Number (EIN)

http://waytogrow.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/10/gain_security_w.html

But you can still open bank accounts, etc, etc with it. No claiming certain tax benefits on the fed return tho.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sorry, confused my terms.

Not (ITIN), just TIN:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=96696,00.html

EDIT: Huh, I see that the IRS has allowed the SS admin to directly issue SSNs as TINs.

That's a change from the last time I researched this.

It's the same as it was five-six years ago when I had employees.

The EIN is linked to your SSN/ITIN.

[Triple Zero]

WHOOOOOOOOOOOO CONGRATULATIONS YATTO!!! YOURE A DADDY! AWESOME

[Suu]

I didn't have a SSN until I was 12.


...Then my mom got caught using her number on all of our school enrollment stuff. Oops.

[the last yatto]

[Phox]

BABY! 

[Requia ☣]

You can request your child not get a ss#

What the fuck?  Aren't you just dooming the kid to a life of homelessness if you do that?  Or does it just delay it until he's old enough to deal with the local DMV and he gets one then?

[the last yatto]

From what I'm reading you can opt in any time, basicly if u do it at birth there's less paperwork to fillout, and was only really considering it as a means to prevent identify theft. But doesn't look like its worth the hassle, make choosing schools a big pain and forfit claiming him as a dependant

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

CUUUTE LITTLE BABY!

BRING ME BABY! I HOLD BABY!!!!!!!