REEFER MADNESS!!!!!!

[Adios]

I think, given time, methheads will reslove the issue on their own. And as a bonus give WBC something to do.

[BabylonHoruv]

Meth is (compared to other things like LSD or Ecstasy) really easy to make.  importing it from Mexico is stupid so long as the precursor ingredients are available.

Meth is the drug that I personally consider the worst of any out there, the effects that I have seen it have on people are worse than any other, I still think it is better that it be made by Joe Skinhead and his inbred cousins than that it help fund the overthrow of the Mexican government.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Meth is the drug that I personally consider the worst of any out there, the effects that I have seen it have on people are worse than any other

IAWTC

[Disco Pickle]

Meth is the drug that I personally consider the worst of any out there, the effects that I have seen it have on people are worse than any other

IAWTC

I put it on the same level as oxycontin or heroin addiction for guaranteeing to fuck your life up.

[Adios]

Everyone always forgets cocaine.

[Disco Pickle]

Everyone always forgets cocaine.

oh no.  That one's right up there in my mind as well.

Should have put it in the last post actually.  Good call Charley.

[AFK]

But you're wrong. The meth trade in the US has historically and largely been overwhelmingly comprised of domestically-produced product. It's only been recently, contemporaneous to the regulations on pseudoephedrine and other precursor chemicals, that the Mexican cartels have gotten involved in the US meth trade.

[citation needed]

Meth started coming into the States from Mexico back in the 90s and has dominated the trade ever since.  It didn't magically crop up when this policy went into place. 

[BabylonHoruv]

Meth is the drug that I personally consider the worst of any out there, the effects that I have seen it have on people are worse than any other

IAWTC

I put it on the same level as oxycontin or heroin addiction for guaranteeing to fuck your life up.

Heroin's effects on the body are nowhere near as severe as meth.  The effects on the mind aren't as bad either, the real problem with heroin is how incredibly addictive it is.  Meth isn't as addictive as heroin, but it'll physically wreck you, and the mental effects of not sleeping add up pretty quickly.

[AFK]

Tell that to Layne Staley. 

[BabylonHoruv]

Tell that to Layne Staley. 

Layne Staley was a junkie for decades.  Methheads don't make it for decades.

[Cain]

The worst physiological effect pure heroin has on the body, addictiveness aside, is constipation.  The problem is finding said pure heroin in the first place.  Also, secondary effects arising from addiction can be an issue.

Pure meth, by contrast, causes severe cognitive impairment, irreversible neurological damage, fatigue and psychosis which resists normal forms of treatment.  And that's before we get into secondary effects.

I know, given the choice, which of the two I'd prefer.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

As far as I know, most of the damage from heroin is actually caused by the person's unwillingness to take care of themselves on a day-to-day basis.

But it still happens because of the drug, so unless you can afford a nurse/taskmaster, the results are the same as if the drug directly caused it.

But, yeah, meth is far worse, IMO.

[East Coast Hustle]

But you're wrong. The meth trade in the US has historically and largely been overwhelmingly comprised of domestically-produced product. It's only been recently, contemporaneous to the regulations on pseudoephedrine and other precursor chemicals, that the Mexican cartels have gotten involved in the US meth trade.

[citation needed]

Meth started coming into the States from Mexico back in the 90s and has dominated the trade ever since.  It didn't magically crop up when this policy went into place. 

Meth started coming into the states from Mexico back in the 60's, and kept doing so in a relatively small amount (in terms of the percentage of the overall american meth market) until fairly recently, right about the same time that access to important precursor chemicals started being regulated at the state level (and at the federal level in the case of ephedrine). The only citation I have to offer is firsthand experience in the matter during the relevant timeframe (which was, of course, not gained by me firsthand but rather relayed to me through microscopic stereo implants in my head, got that Mr. teh DEA bots?)

To say that the regulation and limitation of precursor chemicals did not have a direct and immediate impact on the cost-effectiveness of domestic production vs. outsourcing to Mexico is just silly.

For the record, I'm in favor of some of the regulations (mostly at the bulk levels and for the more horrific chemicals like anhydrous ammonia and red phosphorus) but NOT in favor of the fact that I can't buy goddamn cold medicine that WORKS anymore.

[Telarus]

http://copssaylegalize.blogspot.com/2011/01/responding-to-leap-obama-says.html

Obama started a you-tube contest to vote up the #1 question the internet wants to ask him.


#1 happened to be a member of LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) that straight out asked about the violence feuled by prohibition.

Obama's response, "We should be able to talk about it as an option, but personally, I'm against it." or something along those lines. Go see for yourself.

[Telarus]

Meanwhile, on the Front Lines:

Latin American statesmen question drugs war strategy

Which is pretty easy to believe once you learn that drug smugglers are using medieval war tech to get around border security.