Tennessee getting ready to throw poor students under the bus.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

There's this tendency in human psychological trends, that the more money you make per year, the more entitled you feel about it, something about realizing deep down that all that money you are making comes from pure luck and circumstance rather than hard work or a useful ability/service to others, so you create this fantasy representation on how smart, sacrificial, useful and hard working you are compared to all the "fucking lazy, bottom feeder slobs" that make any amount less than yourself.

But Roger can explain to you tomorrow about entitlement.

If this is how entitlement is defined here, then I can fully see why roger was saying that I'm digging in...

...because there really isn't enough LSD on this entire planet to be able to recondition me to believe that effort doesn't have some sort of meaningful outcome.

Call me intellectually flawed, call me an incorrigible primate, call me a dumb rand-tard or even call me outright evil, but in the end, my own experience tells me that my own efforts matter in addition to luck and circumstance[\i].

If I'm reading this definition of "entitlement" correctly as meaning "nothing you do effects your outcome", then I can honestly say that there isn't really anything more about welfare I can take from this thread if it relies on this concept of entitlement.

You are totally not reading it correctly, but it's pretty apparent that you don't really want to, so I'm not gonna bother with you any further.

[navkat]

"Kill your darlings," someone once said.

You need to let go of your most cherished beliefs because they are killing your brain. To use a metaphor you'll understand: They are sitting on the sofa in your head on their fat asses, doing NOTHING for you but lounging around, watching TV and eating all the Früzen Glacé. You are paying the price for them to be there and no other beliefs who are willing to roll up their sleeves and do meaningful, useful WORK for you can get in because your existing ones are catching a check. And why? Because you like them. Not because they work hard or reflect reality but because they are your favorites.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

I'd like to pity the poor fuck who made Nigel go FULL NIGEL but he's a little shitneck, so instead I laugh my socialist, feminist, eurotrash, pinko commie librul ass off.

Sometimes  i wish I was queer and a woman of colour. Because THEN I'd be old white man in america's worst nightmare

And i like it when nigel smashes her housebrick of troof down.

Isn't Tennessee one of them stoopid abstinence only sex ed states?

[Juana]

It's in the South, so it's a safe bet.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

Okay, I need to vomit more or this fuck is going to be stewing in my brain all day and I have work to do.

He starts off saying "I'm a little racist because PTSD." Well, I guess admitting the problem is the first step. So good job maybe. Then it's "I can't afford to get treated for PTSD." Then people who have no reason to be nice to him offer help finding affordable options for therapy and it's "I don't want to see a shrink because stuff."

Fuck you, kid. No, seriously, fuck you and your stupid face. Maybe the person you turn into later won't be as bad as you are right now, but this guy? This guy sucks ass like a pro.

If you don't want to do the work to fix who you are, you want to stay the way you are. You are as bad as self-diagnosed assburgers. People say and do and think retarded things, people absorb bad signal and it takes a while to properly identify it and deal with the problem. It takes work not to be a complete and utter shit. I've said some really, really stupid things, more recently than I like to think about. I absorbed some bad signal from parents who Weren't Racist but seemed to have opinions about the types of people who live in apartment complexes and spend so much money on sneakers. And that shit's hard to dislodge. I spent years dealing with some faulty goddamn wiring in my brain that's tried to kill me, and it was hard work. And when people like you wander around blithely wallowing in their bad signal and bad wiring and expecting the rest of us to put up with it because you don't want to fix it? That's a slap in the face to all the work the bipeds around you have done to try to be human.

[Juana]

^^^^ That. You're willfully a racist, classist little shit. Roger was right.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The last thing I feel like putting up with is some inbred hayseed condescending to me about "family planning" and how at least I'm trying to "better myself" because I'm taking food stamps while I work toward getting PhD and support four kids, one of which isn't even mine.

"Better myself". Fuck you, po'bucker. When my business was thriving and I had employees I wouldn't have hired you, because you don't have the fucking skills. Go better yourself.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, my property taxes are more than his "estimated" income tax, which I am pretty sure he is vastly overestimating. And he's whining about having to "support" lazy people who leech off the system. I'm pretty sure that the taxes I paid when I was rolling in it more than cover his entire existence.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Hmm.  PTSD.  I know all about PTSD.  Believe me on that, if you believe nothing else I ever tell you.

And let me say that PTSD is not an excuse for anything, unless it's so bad that you can't function at all.  Yes, it will make you predisposed toward given behaviors.  It does not, however, render you incapable of value judgements or any other moral/ethical decisions.  It does not give your Id an E-ticket to Disneyland.

In fact, I have found, in most people with actual PTSD, that they tend to become more ethical, not more likely to start ranting and raving about how rotten the poor are, and how POOR SLUTS SHOULD SHUT THEIR LEGS.

And on THAT score, here's the deal:  Humans are wired to have children when they don't feel secure, just like any other mammal.  It's a species survival thing...Bad times means mortality, means have more kids so that your tribe can claim more of the scarce resources.

Combine that with NOTHING ELSE TO DO and feelings of complete hopelessness, and you have poor people having kids all over the place.  Not just in the USA, everywhere.

Rich people have less kids because they're rich, rather than the other way around.  They are secure, so their urge to breed lessens.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, my property taxes are more than his "estimated" income tax, which I am pretty sure he is vastly overestimating. And he's whining about having to "support" lazy people who leech off the system. I'm pretty sure that the taxes I paid when I was rolling in it more than cover his entire existence.

At his pay scale, he pays no income tax.  He pays "payroll tax", which is a "federal tax", which is what he stated he pays.

[navkat]

Let's not get in a Humvee here and drive all over this now.

Look, kid, the reason we're trying to give you a shot here is because Cainad has some credibility round these parts and if he says there's some IRL value in that head of yours, I'm willing to try to crack it open and help you dump out all the garbage.

But you got Nigel's hackles up and that's a difficult thing to overcome. You made some dumbshit comments. It's okay. How you deal with it next will determin how you recover here. You need to regroup, rethink and restate...only THIS time, stop doing it from Glenn Beck's podium. Glenn Beck is a wealthy white man with three or four books, a TV show and a nice house in Texas. He knows nothing about what it means to make $9.50 an hour in 2013. 2013 is a vastly different world than the one he grew up in when he worked hard and "made it happen" for himself. He also had help along the way. And connections. And he's good-looking, which doesn't hurt.

You're a workaday dude with problems. Just like the rest of the $9.50/hour earners. But if you'd like to prove me wrong, you're certainly welcome to get off your ass and go get a job making multiple six-figures working for Fox or CNN today, if you want.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, my property taxes are more than his "estimated" income tax, which I am pretty sure he is vastly overestimating. And he's whining about having to "support" lazy people who leech off the system. I'm pretty sure that the taxes I paid when I was rolling in it more than cover his entire existence.

At his pay scale, he pays no income tax.  He pays "payroll tax", which is a "federal tax", which is what he stated he pays.

So he doesn't pay shit toward the infrastructure he leeches off of.

And he claims that PTSD made him racist, but he's too scared and lazy to get off his ass and seek help for it.

What a winner. I hope he doesn't reproduce, it'd mean that part of my taxes (assuming there are still jobs for neuroscientists when I graduate) will go to support his useless progeny, since he clearly isn't planning on making himself able to support them.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Let's not get in a Humvee here and drive all over this now.

Look, kid, the reason we're trying to give you a shot here is because Cainad has some credibility round these parts and if he says there's some IRL value in that head of yours, I'm willing to try to crack it open and help you dump out all the garbage.

But you got Nigel's hackles up and that's a difficult thing to overcome. You made some dumbshit comments. It's okay. How you deal with it next will determin how you recover here. You need to regroup, rethink and restate...only THIS time, stop doing it from Glenn Beck's podium. Glenn Beck is a wealthy white man with three or four books, a TV show and a nice house in Texas. He knows nothing about what it means to make $9.50 an hour in 2013. 2013 is a vastly different world than the one he grew up in when he worked hard and "made it happen" for himself. He also had help along the way. And connections. And he's good-looking, which doesn't hurt.

You're a workaday dude with problems. Just like the rest of the $9.50/hour earners. But if you'd like to prove me wrong, you're certainly welcome to get off your ass and go get a job making multiple six-figures working for Fox or CNN today, if you want.

I'm a colored single mother on food stamps, you know I can't afford a Humvee.

[Juana]

Just from a factual angle, I'm not sure that's why, Roger - more like, historically, poor people have had less access to birth control. The birth rates around here have dropped a hell of a lot since the economy went to shit and since universal access to birth control (actually, thanks, Obama!) the abortion rate has been halved.

Poor people have traditionally had more kids because they haven't had access to birth control and privileged little shit like VZ shit on them for being poor, essentially. Also, the "welfare queen" trope (which you're hinting at, VZ, with the "family planning" thing) is a racist fucking construct designed to control the sexuality of women and MOST especially that of women of color, since a lot of classism hinges on racism and WoC are, in a white society, seen as hypersexual.
Here's some reading on it, if you want to maybe try to stand on your hind feet.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I sometimes wonder whether people decide I'm a welfare queen when I pull my food card out of my Coach purse to pay for my organic beans and milk at Whole Foods.

I wonder, does getting divorced and having your business tank mean that you have to give away all your nice things and replace them with shit from Target?