Miley Cyrus, Pedobear, and the Hollywood Spectacle

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I would like to point out, though, that saying "smooth jazz" isn't music is like saying Coors Light isn't beer.  Not strictly accurate, and you shouldn't mock people who can't afford better.

[Cainad (dec.)]

lawl, implying Miley Cyrus is intentionally trolling is now declaring her a "Discordian Troll Queen".

Did you get that strawman on special?  It's looking a bit ragged...

Regarding a pop artist with anything but eye-rolling disdain is a violation of Discordian Standard chapter 17, part 172.48. Such action will be considered an attempt to put said pop artist on one of the Great Discordian Pedestals, and shall be addressed using standard Class B Heresy Mitigation protocols.

It's not art if you're not starving.

Right. Only the penniless artist can be subversive.

Social Satire^TM and Screwing With The Machine^TM are brands owned by Starving Artists, LLC.

Making money while doing these things, especially if being paid through large corporations, is subcultural appropriation, and will be dealt with using the angriest bloggers available.

And a resounding denouncement from the holding-your-smokes-backwards smooth jazz crowd, which is - as it ought to be - bowel-liquifyingly terrifying.

Just WAIT until my buddy living in Hairy Steve's basement publishes my scathing essay about your SELLOUT in his 'zine!

Then you'll be sorry.

I shall rend my beret in shame.   

[Pæs]

Miley Cyrus has RWHN chewing his knuckles in frustration. I nominate her for Discordian Troll Queen.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

how she completely encapsulates everything that is so garishly fucked up with mainstream pop culture.

OH MY GOD, YOU FINALLY GET IT!

[AFK]

how she completely encapsulates everything that is so garishly fucked up with mainstream pop culture.

OH MY GOD, YOU FINALLY GET IT!

So you are worshipping her for being the top of the shit pile

[The Good Reverend Roger]

how she completely encapsulates everything that is so garishly fucked up with mainstream pop culture.

OH MY GOD, YOU FINALLY GET IT!

So you are worshipping her for being the top of the shit pile

You're just too damned old, RWHN.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Yeah, and I don't think anyone's denied that she's paid to do so.  What we are saying is that she's taking the piss.  You seem to think these are mutually exclusive things, because apparently Miley Cyrus is something less than a human being, and can't possibly do such a thing.

Yeah, took a quick look, and I don't see anyone saying she's doing this as a charity event.   

Of course she's making money while braying laughter in everyone's faces.



Give "Bob" one good reason why she shouldn't.

It's not art if you're not starving.

Strawman.  Pink Floyd made (and still makes) huge bank on art.  Of course, DSoTM was an actual purposeful commentary, and not an unaware accidental one.

Pink Floyd was about as subversive as my grandmother.

ETA:  My grandmother at least didn't whine, which is about all Roger Waters has ever been good for.

"Wah, life is a grind and there's pressure and stuff and it gets tedious and kind of empty. I'm gonna juxtapose commentary about that with imagery of crackups. Even though the guy I'm using for inspiration was a schizophrenic, which is, uh, you know, a pre-existing condition."

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I better expand on that.

RWHN, you referred to Pink Floyd earlier as "subversive", and that's kind of funny considering that they are now and have always been establishment as fuck.  But every decade or so, someone comes along and shoots the kneecap off the current musical scene.  They have to; if they didn't, the whole damn thing would go sterile. 

Of course, it's usually several people.  In this case, it was about 3 people.  Rhiana, Lady Gaga, and now this kid.  The whole twerk-pop no-effort bullshit scene is now as dead as jazz, and it's long past time.

And you know who the old people are?  The people who see a change like this happen, and immediately bitch.  Sometimes because they can't handle change...And sometimes, as with you, because the change was made by a subgroup they don't like (in your case women, in the 50s it was Black people), and because the change further buries any connection you have to contemporary music.  Pink Floyd is a perfect example of this...A useless pack of fossils who were fossils when they were young, a perfect cog in the machine, and fossils NOW, who exist only for pretentious old gasbags to whine about, while referring to when music was REAL and not this awful noise the kids listen to.

So, yeah.  You're too damn old.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

how she completely encapsulates everything that is so garishly fucked up with mainstream pop culture.

OH MY GOD, YOU FINALLY GET IT!

So you are worshipping her for being the top of the shit pile

Wow, now I know what your opinion of artists is. They aren't even people to you, are they?

I think she's creative and hilarious because she's playing the game, but she's playing it in a way that highlights the ugliness of the game, which is upsetting a lot of people. Which is exactly what I've been saying since my first post. Thinking someone's creative and hilarious is not worship.

Your bitterness and negativity is really just depressing to behold. All you seem to do is go around finding threads where people are saying things you disagree with, so you can try to "nope" them to death. The sad thing is, I get the impression that for you, this IS really trying to contribute.

Uck.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

how she completely encapsulates everything that is so garishly fucked up with mainstream pop culture.

OH MY GOD, YOU FINALLY GET IT!

So you are worshipping her for being the top of the shit pile

Wow, now I know what your opinion of artists is. They aren't even people to you, are they?

I think she's creative and hilarious because she's playing the game, but she's playing it in a way that highlights the ugliness of the game, which is upsetting a lot of people. Which is exactly what I've been saying since my first post. Thinking someone's creative and hilarious is not worship.

Your bitterness and negativity is really just depressing to behold. All you seem to do is go around finding threads where people are saying things you disagree with, so you can try to "nope" them to death. The sad thing is, I get the impression that for you, this IS really trying to contribute.

Uck.

More to the point, he completely MISSED the point.

She set the "shit pile" on fire.  Whether or not someone believes that this was accidental or on purpose is largely irrelevant.

But yes, referring to artists of any caliber as a "shit pile" is pretty fucking telling.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

how she completely encapsulates everything that is so garishly fucked up with mainstream pop culture.

OH MY GOD, YOU FINALLY GET IT!

So you are worshipping her for being the top of the shit pile

Wow, now I know what your opinion of artists is. They aren't even people to you, are they?

I think she's creative and hilarious because she's playing the game, but she's playing it in a way that highlights the ugliness of the game, which is upsetting a lot of people. Which is exactly what I've been saying since my first post. Thinking someone's creative and hilarious is not worship.

Your bitterness and negativity is really just depressing to behold. All you seem to do is go around finding threads where people are saying things you disagree with, so you can try to "nope" them to death. The sad thing is, I get the impression that for you, this IS really trying to contribute.

Uck.

More to the point, he completely MISSED the point.

She set the "shit pile" on fire.  Whether or not someone believes that this was accidental or on purpose is largely irrelevant.

But yes, referring to artists of any caliber as a "shit pile" is pretty fucking telling.

Yeah but none of our perspectives have any validity because we're wrong and also because nope.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

how she completely encapsulates everything that is so garishly fucked up with mainstream pop culture.

OH MY GOD, YOU FINALLY GET IT!

So you are worshipping her for being the top of the shit pile

Wow, now I know what your opinion of artists is. They aren't even people to you, are they?

I think she's creative and hilarious because she's playing the game, but she's playing it in a way that highlights the ugliness of the game, which is upsetting a lot of people. Which is exactly what I've been saying since my first post. Thinking someone's creative and hilarious is not worship.

Your bitterness and negativity is really just depressing to behold. All you seem to do is go around finding threads where people are saying things you disagree with, so you can try to "nope" them to death. The sad thing is, I get the impression that for you, this IS really trying to contribute.

Uck.

More to the point, he completely MISSED the point.

She set the "shit pile" on fire.  Whether or not someone believes that this was accidental or on purpose is largely irrelevant.

But yes, referring to artists of any caliber as a "shit pile" is pretty fucking telling.

Yeah but none of our perspectives have any validity because we're wrong and also because nope.

Who cares what a cranky & pretentious old fart has to say?  He can nope all day fucking long, and he's still that old man in the loud shorts & black socks, grumbling about those rotten kids and their hooligan music.

[AFK]

I better expand on that.

RWHN, you referred to Pink Floyd earlier as "subversive",

Wrong in the first sentence.  I said that they provided commentary on DSoTM.  For example, "Money" as artful commentary on the greed that pervades Western culture including the music industry.   But the whole album was a, in my opinion, marvelous and quite artful commentary on culture.

They were able to make that artistic statement and also make a boatload of money doing it.  So, no, you don't need to starve to make great art. 

But being the worst of the worst isn't making great art.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

For example, "Money" as artful commentary on the greed that pervades Western culture including the music industry.   

So, basically, rich people whining about rich people.   Just like I said. 

Since we're chopping posts up.

[AFK]

.  But every decade or so, someone comes along and shoots the kneecap off the current musical scene.  They have to; if they didn't, the whole damn thing would go sterile. 

Of course, it's usually several people.  In this case, it was about 3 people.  Rhiana, Lady Gaga, and now this kid.  The whole twerk-pop no-effort bullshit scene is now as dead as jazz, and it's long past time.

This is the funniest thing I've read in awhile. 

Granted, I'm also in the minority opinion, (on this board), that Lady Gaga is extremely overrated.  I mean, she's basically a living mash-up of Madonna and Marilyn Manson.  I'll give her that she has a decent voice.  Same with Rihanna, who is easily the most talented of the three, but none of them were groundbreaking. 

The music industry has long been deperately looking for another big Nirvana-like, sweeping cultural moment.  Hasn't happened and probably won't ever happen again, not on THAT scale.

It's way too watered down now.  Great music is still being made, to be sure, but not in that big landmark kind of way.