UNLIMITED Immigration Nutbaggery Thread

[Doktor Howl]

Her husband has told reporters that he voted for Trump in the 2016 election.

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[Cain]

It's springtime for Miller

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/now-trump-administration-wants-limit-citizenship-legal-immigrants-n897931

The Trump administration is expected to issue a proposal in coming weeks that would make it harder for legal immigrants to become citizens or get green cards if they have ever used a range of popular public welfare programs, including Obamacare, four sources with knowledge of the plan told NBC News.

The move, which would not need congressional approval, is part of White House senior adviser Stephen Miller's plan to limit the number of migrants who obtain legal status in the U.S. each year.

Details of the rulemaking proposal are still being finalized, but based on a recent draft seen last week and described to NBC News, immigrants living legally in the U.S. who have ever used or whose household members have ever used Obamacare, children's health insurance, food stamps and other benefits could be hindered from obtaining legal status in the U.S.

Immigration lawyers and advocates and public health researchers say it would be the biggest change to the legal immigration system in decades and estimate that more than 20 million immigrants could be affected. They say it would fall particularly hard on immigrants working jobs that don't pay enough to support their families.

Aren't ex post facto penalties awesome?

[Doktor Howl]

It's springtime for Miller

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/now-trump-administration-wants-limit-citizenship-legal-immigrants-n897931

The Trump administration is expected to issue a proposal in coming weeks that would make it harder for legal immigrants to become citizens or get green cards if they have ever used a range of popular public welfare programs, including Obamacare, four sources with knowledge of the plan told NBC News.

The move, which would not need congressional approval, is part of White House senior adviser Stephen Miller's plan to limit the number of migrants who obtain legal status in the U.S. each year.

Details of the rulemaking proposal are still being finalized, but based on a recent draft seen last week and described to NBC News, immigrants living legally in the U.S. who have ever used or whose household members have ever used Obamacare, children's health insurance, food stamps and other benefits could be hindered from obtaining legal status in the U.S.

Immigration lawyers and advocates and public health researchers say it would be the biggest change to the legal immigration system in decades and estimate that more than 20 million immigrants could be affected. They say it would fall particularly hard on immigrants working jobs that don't pay enough to support their families.

Aren't ex post facto penalties awesome?

Awesomely unconstitutional.

[Cain]

I know the constitutional authors hated the idea of ex post facto punishments (I saw some of Jefferson's writings on the topic), but isn't there also an issue that enrolment in healthcare was mandatory under the Affordable Care Act?  So in effect you're not only imposing punishments on something that wasn't illegal before, but was in fact legally required?

I don't think there's even a legal term for that.  These people are vicious, without doubt, but they are also the biggest pack of cretins I have had the misfortune to watch in real time.

[Doktor Howl]

I know the constitutional authors hated the idea of ex post facto punishments (I saw some of Jefferson's writings on the topic), but isn't there also an issue that enrolment in healthcare was mandatory under the Affordable Care Act?  So in effect you're not only imposing punishments on something that wasn't illegal before, but was in fact legally required?

I don't think there's even a legal term for that.  These people are vicious, without doubt, but they are also the biggest pack of cretins I have had the misfortune to watch in real time.

Funniest thing is, no congressional approval is needed for this.  Which makes it really easy to smack down in court.

[Doktor Howl]

Laura Ingraham delivers the lulz.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/laura-ingraham-america-as-we-know-it-doesn’t-exist-anymore-due-to-‘demographic-changes’/ar-BBLHqCa?ocid=spartanntp

[Cain]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/09/us/asylum-judge-deported.html

As a federal judge heard arguments on Thursday seeking to halt the deportations of several Central American women requesting asylum, he learned that a woman and her daughter at the center of the case had been ushered from a Texas shelter, driven to an airport and put on a plane to El Salvador. The judge ordered the government to bring the two back immediately.

The judge, Emmet G. Sullivan of the District of Columbia, criticized the government for deporting the pair just as they were seeking justice in court. In ordering the government to undo the deportation, he threatened to hold government officials, from Attorney General Jeff Sessions on down, in contempt, said a lawyer for the plaintiffs.

According to the A.C.L.U., Carmen’s husband had regularly raped, stalked and threatened to kill her for two decades. But she never reported him to the police in El Salvador, having seen other women do so only to be killed by their husbands in retaliation. After she left her husband, taking her daughter with her, she claimed gang members in town targeted her as a single mother, threatening to kill her and her daughter unless she paid them a monthly sum.

[Cain]

Called it

https://www.facebook.com/SPLCenter/posts/10156629807484700?__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARAF_OBSgq7tXylYeHRX6adw5l2QlL5JnfLNGu8qs4GBmYbEsYtjZatILEmsSiXwZrwuQ8pCQGwnpAgtqVxNaSnMNpncFUXdhWRfePfxajnMEWXTBxa228kO35N1N7XJLX8Eo2TIns8b&__tn__=-R

Immigrants are forced to clean and maintain the detention center where they're held for as little as $1 a day. Refuse — and they're threatened with no food, toilet paper, or phone calls to family.

We sued.

Now six U.S. Senators have written to DHS telling them to take immediate steps to stop this.

[Doktor Howl]

What do you know?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hundreds-of-migrant-children-quietly-moved-to-a-tent-camp-on-the-texas-border/ar-BBNJwUO?ocid=spartanntp

In shelters from Kansas to New York, hundreds of migrant children have been roused in the middle of the night in recent weeks and loaded onto buses with backpacks and snacks for a cross-country journey to their new home: a barren tent city on a sprawling patch of desert in South Texas.

And there's more!

Some staff members cried when they learned of the move, the shelter worker said, fearing what was in store for the children who had been in their care. Others tried to protest. But managers explained that tough choices had to be made to deal with the overflowing population.

[Suu]

What do you know?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hundreds-of-migrant-children-quietly-moved-to-a-tent-camp-on-the-texas-border/ar-BBNJwUO?ocid=spartanntp

In shelters from Kansas to New York, hundreds of migrant children have been roused in the middle of the night in recent weeks and loaded onto buses with backpacks and snacks for a cross-country journey to their new home: a barren tent city on a sprawling patch of desert in South Texas.

And there's more!

Some staff members cried when they learned of the move, the shelter worker said, fearing what was in store for the children who had been in their care. Others tried to protest. But managers explained that tough choices had to be made to deal with the overflowing population.

This literally just made me queasy.

[Doktor Howl]

What do you know?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hundreds-of-migrant-children-quietly-moved-to-a-tent-camp-on-the-texas-border/ar-BBNJwUO?ocid=spartanntp

In shelters from Kansas to New York, hundreds of migrant children have been roused in the middle of the night in recent weeks and loaded onto buses with backpacks and snacks for a cross-country journey to their new home: a barren tent city on a sprawling patch of desert in South Texas.

And there's more!

Some staff members cried when they learned of the move, the shelter worker said, fearing what was in store for the children who had been in their care. Others tried to protest. But managers explained that tough choices had to be made to deal with the overflowing population.

This literally just made me queasy.

Detainees are fine until you have too many to manage, right?  And you can't stop detaining more, or you admit that maybe you shouldn't have detained any of them.

Then they become a drag on resources.  Fortunately, by that point they're nice and forgotten and dehumanized by being a faceless horde in camps.  Which we associate with jails, inmates of which we have been conditioned to think of as less than people by 100+ years of our prison system.

Then, one day, you just sort of stop hearing about them.

[Cain]

Best way to ensure human rights groups can't keep track of what is going on, or document cases of abuse.  Move detainees every few months, put them in hard to access locations.  Once things get settled...move them again. Most of these groups operate on shoestring budgets, they can't afford to keep gallivanting across the country.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

And every time you move them, you end up delivering a few less than you left with. Nobody wonders or asks any questions.

[Doktor Howl]

It's The Spectacle.  The government creates artificial shortages (SNAP, healthcare, etc), then blames immigrants.  Then shows you what they're gonna do about it, which is just scary enough on an unconscious level that you don't really want to fuck with them.

So everyone just sits still while they finish rebuilding the guilded age, ensuring that resources go to Quality People.

Which is going to be a thing.  You don't think that the heads of industry don't believe in climate change, do you?  Of course they do.  It's the best thing to happen in favor of feudalism since the chimney.