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Burns and I were just talking about how to embrace masculinity without the toxic parts. He kindly linked me to the post ITT about the mature masculine archetypes, which I found very interesting.

Good thread all around

Bring and Brag / Re: WEIRDOVERSE
« on: Yesterday at 03:52:56 pm »
I remember Ellis writing a blog series in part on Jack Kirby's screaming robot head, is this a reference?

Yes indeed! From the "Do Anything" blog series

I have the head of Jack Kirby in my office.
I built it myself. Which means, this being the late-postmodern 21st Century, I stole it from someone else and then tinkered with it until it became a transformative work. What I actually did was steal the Hanson Robotics-designed android head of Philip K Dick off an airplane, resculpted the front and filled its brain with the work of, interviews with and anecdotes about Jack Kirby…

Wow, is that for real? hahahah

I read The Android Head of Phillip K Dick, which documents the creation of the Philip K Dick robot and how its head was stolen / lost during a flight.

I'm sure Ellis is teasing, but that's a great reference.  :p

Or Kill Me / Re: Broadcasted
« on: June 18, 2017, 02:23:15 pm »
I'm with you. There are a lot of voices out there, in here.

The loudest ones are not focused on the big picture. They're dealing with immediate needs and fears.

But if you listen, there are voices which are aware, which have thought up solutions to the big problems. These voices are often drowned out by the others, but you can hear them.

And if you can hear them, it means we can all hear them.

But maybe you're right, maybe it's too late for us.

But there's something comforting knowing that other civilizations have probably gotten this far and failed too.

Just like water, when poured onto an incline, will naturally flow downwards,

         just like that

people will be born

and look up

Attn Cramulus: You called this years ago. Hope you're fucking pleased with yourself  :argh!:

I am pleased. In the future, the desire to have sex with other physical humans will seem like a weird fetish.
The comments make me want to hasten the inevitable end of humanity.

yeah, they are terrible

definitely the most unsettling thing about the video was the narrator's frame that men have been searching for an "upgrade" to physical women. Physical women aren't what men need.

I can imagine a world where bots like this help solve an overpopulation problem

and in that world, dating fucking blows ass

Bring and Brag / Re: Fourth Way
« on: June 16, 2017, 05:45:40 pm »

Discordianism is

an attitude

my attitude:
CHAOS is the book in which ORDER and DISORDER are written
CHAOS is the raw universe, "Outrageous as a sea, dark, wasteful, wild", but brimming with potential energy

there's a way of understanding things
a way which is outside of order and disorder, outside of reason and emotion,
formless, therefore objective,
the source
the spirit of the valley
the crack in What Is
the seed growing from What Isn't

the banana cream pie
                                in flight
the banana peel
                         you just stepped on

what your face looked like
                                      before you were born
the self
            that has no face

                          after the wild circus

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: June 16, 2017, 03:14:56 pm »
I have so much to say and I don't have a clue where to start. Guess I'll start with the material facts... This isn't a polished essay, I'm going to ramble, so forgive me in advance and bear with me.

I made it through 7 weeks of the In Search Of the Miraculous book club. It was an interesting and challenging experience. I struggled for a while with the "science" behind what Gurdjieff was saying. Ultimately, I made a mental breakthrough when I spotted the parts where Ouspensky warns us not to take it too literally. We're in deep metaphor country. And through that lens, all the stuff I struggled with became so beautiful and personally meaningful.

For example, I wrote about the Ray of Creation. Ouspensky describes the Ray as this emanation from the creation of the universe which cascades down into smaller tiers of existence. Something created all the galaxies, the stars, our star, the planets, our planets, life on our planet... and that same creative force is present in us. Ouspensky wrote about how the edge of the ray of creation is the moon, and that one day once it has been fed with the energies and collective processing power of humanity*, it will be green... but I think the moon is better understood there as a metaphor for whatever it is that humanity is creating.

*this idea of humanity as a collective processor... it kinda reminds me of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where Adams presents the earth as a giant computer. Every living being on earth is contributing to the grand calculation of the meaning of life.

That's very in line with Gurdjieff's thinking. It's kinda like - the birth of modern democracy required centuries of "processing" feudalism. Years of painful serfhood and subjectivity (as in 'being a subject') created this collective need for something better. And when that fire grew hot enough to destroy feudalism, we lit our torches and headed for the castles. Our suffering served some (at the time) invisible future purpose.

And in this similar way, humanity is creating something else, beyond what exists now. We're all involved in it, as we live our lives and pay taxes and argue with people online. This isn't just humanity, it's the whole universe pushing its way into consciousness through us, creating the universe through us.

At larger scales, "creation" looks like suns and planets being formed, huge masses of plasma spinning through space. At smaller scales of creation, this same process looks like you and me.


That's an example of me coming through the eye of the needle and expanding my narrow literal understanding.

Seven weeks of the meetings... the group dwindled from a dozen down to about 5 (plus the three leaders). In that smaller group, the real discussions started. I felt like I was really able to engage and ask my questions.

And like many good mystery cults, it ended with mystery, something else behind another veil. The speakers would not tell me more about the sacred movements, or about the stuff you do later in the work. They give a coy smile and say we've just scratched the surface. One of them explained that this group is partly about us seeing if we really like these Gurdjieff ideas. And it's also about the Gurdjieff Foundation seeing if they really like us, if we're ready to learn more.

They told us to keep reading, and that they'd be in contact. After the summer, there are going to be more meetings. But I think we'll only find out about them if we're invited.

One of the cool things about the Gurdjieff work that's unlike esoteric mystery cults... other groups ask you do to the "work" before they teach you the "secrets". Gurdjieff arranged it backwards. He tells you the secrets right up front, and then slowly reveals the Work which will help you fully understand them.

I want to wear the robes and do the dances and share consciousness.  So I'm going to hang on.

I think they like me because I'm a skeptic. I'm very critical of everything we're being told. I often challenge the "elders" in this group... I said a few weeks ago - one of the things I've struggled with for 15 years now is the idea of free will.

There's a "law" in behavioral psychology called the Melioration Principle. It says that an organism will engage in a behavior until a competing behavior offers a better reward. You can see this every day, in everything you do. When you make a choice, what you're doing is really just a quantitative weighing of rewards. And doesn't that sound mechanical? Does that seem like free will? It seems like free will is just solving this calculus equation.

Gurdjieff says there's a way out of this. That there are moments when you can escape this inner slavery. Moments when your actions aren't mechanically dictated by external circumstances. With work, with awareness of the internal world, with "conscious labor and intentional suffering", we can achieve brief moments of internal freedom.

And I say: I will believe it when I see it.

But I'm not dismissing it until I have walked down the path myself. If this kind of freedom is possible, I want to taste it.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: June 16, 2017, 02:34:43 pm »
An idea that's been spinning in my head like a gif from angelfire, by way of Jacob Needleman (podcast)

The scientific atheism of our time is a necessary purgative - it strips us down to a place where we might understand God in a completely different way.

Or Kill Me / Re: Kesha's yelling timber
« on: June 08, 2017, 09:01:14 pm »
Jeeeesus Dags! That's horrible. Really glad you're okay. Any landing you can walk away from, right? Sheesh.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: June 08, 2017, 08:49:02 pm »

Quote from: Kieth Olbermann
Senator McCain has in essence just asked why Comey didn't prosecute Clinton for helping the Russians get Trump elected.

McCain kinda acknowledges his questions were stupid AF

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: June 01, 2017, 07:39:52 pm »
I just wanted to touch briefly on a topic that's all over Gurdjieff. It's called the Ray of Creation.


The story goes like this:

In the beginning, there's the raw uncut universe, called the Absolute. The primal singularity. The original Causal Factor. All that exists, undivided. Everything at once.

Whatever that is - produced all the suns in the universe, including ours.

And the laws which govern stuff at that size led to the formation of planets, including ours.

When you get down to planet-size, there are different laws. From these factors, life on earth emerged.

Emerging from the laws which govern life on earth, some of it eventually developed consciousness, analytical thought, became capable of examining itself and its environment... As sagan puts it:

I think it's beautiful.

There is a spark inside of me, animating me. This spark was forged in the big bang, it's a direct product of this primordial cosmic process. As it descends into increasingly fine levels of the universe, it becomes subject to different laws. Layer by layer, it eventually becomes a human life. So the big bang didn't just create stars and stuff like that, it also created you and me. The Big Bang created consciousness. The big bang created you reading these words on a monitor.

And then what? What follows consciousness, in the ray of creation? What will consciousness eventually produce? To what end does the universe want to know itself?

Nobody knows, of course.

Gurdjieff says that organic life on earth is like an "energy collector". Organic life is building up this "potential". When the potential reaches a certain threshold, the next thing will emerge.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: June 01, 2017, 03:14:44 pm »
On God's Omnipotence....

I liked this passage. The Absolute Will (ie whatever causal factor started the cascade of the big bang, the suns, the planets, life on the planets, you, me, this sentence you're reading right now) isn't involved in the day to day affairs of the universe. The universe functions according to laws and principles which can be understood.

Quote from: In Search of the Miraculous, by PD Ouspensky
We had many talks about the idea of miracles, and about the fact that the Absolute cannot manifest its will in our world and that this will manifests itself only in the form of mechanical laws and cannot manifest itself by violating these laws....

"Give me an example of something that the Lord cannot do," said the bishop.

"It won't take long to do that, your Eminence," answered the seminarist. "Everyone knows that even the Lord himself cannot beat the ace of trumps with the ordinary deuce."

"There was more sense in this silly story than in a thousand theological treatises. The laws of a game make the essence of the game. A violation of these laws would destroy the entire game. The Absolute can as little interfere in our life and substitute other results in the place of the natural results of causes created by us, or created accidentally, as he can beat the ace of trumps with the deuce. Turgenev wrote somewhere that all ordinary prayers can be reduced to one: "Lord, make it so that twice two be not four." This is the same thing as the ace of trumps of the seminarist."

I just saw the new book come out. What changed in 3rd edition?

Literate Chaotic / Re: How full of shit is Peter Levenda?
« on: May 31, 2017, 04:12:38 am »
Bump, this guy must like googling himself, he is the top search for the forum this month with 120 click throughs to the forum

If I google Peter Levenda, this thread is the fourth hit. I wonder if he was mentioned on TV or something?

For you people stopping in from google - this is a much better thread about Peter Levenda

Also, look at this guy:

yeah, really digging the New Sincerity these days

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