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Literate Chaotic / Re: ITT: Original Story Ideas
« on: Today at 02:58:50 pm »
*A horror film in which Rene Descartes is menaced by a deamon that shows him horrifying illusions, and leaves him unable to be sure of what is real.

*The Odyssey as retold by the distant descendants of the cyclopses, who misremember Odysseus as a malevolent incorporeal spirit called No-Body.

Does anybody else want to ask this thing "Why does the Porridge Bird lay his egg in the air?"

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Generic split from AI/political threads
« on: November 29, 2016, 08:12:01 pm »
I've gotta agree wih Elvis here about you all being in many regards closed minded. Based on he fact that all of you refuse to put forth any sort of intelligible argument and instead rely on the automatic gainsaying of anything the other side says I can only conclude that either you must not be able to back up anything you say and/or are arguing from emotion rather than reason. You're actually starting to convince me that the left may be almost as bad as the right.

Artificial intelligence has been routinely portrayed with the inability to grasp irrational human concepts like humor, metaphors, and spontaneous creativity.

I'm guessing these will be among the first things we see in emergent machines.

And probably more than a few AIs that are tinfoil-hat level crazy

I've been getting bits and pieces. Lot of cash is being flung at it and I've no idea what they're even talking about half the time. They built something called d-wave that (apparently) is or isn't a quantum computer depending on who you listen to.

Whether it is or isn't a quantum computer is not determined until you observe it :D

Tsunamis in weird places aside, I'm just thinking of what will happen to offshore drilling rigs.

Indeed, it would be very bad if there was another deepwater horizon  type incident or crewmen on a manned rig got killed.

(In cases where only the rig itself is damaged however I think it would be a clear case of "they sowed the wind and now are going to reap the whirlwind" on the part of the oil companies)

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Unlimited Brazilian Hilarity Thread
« on: November 27, 2016, 06:29:07 pm »
Something has gone bery very wrong with the world

Beyond the wall / Re: Space dogs
« on: November 27, 2016, 09:36:01 am »
One thing interstellar colonization has going for it over planetary scale is that the plausible returns from an interaction with an alien civilization are by necessity not the same kind of resource grabbing nonsense we saw on earth. It is wildly idiotic to waste so much time, energy, and money stealing raw resources out from under the little green men, as opposed to mining in our own system in an inhospitable environment. it's also laughably unlikely that we will be able to infect one another with anything, or even use each other as food. If life on earth was partially or wholly seeded from outside sources, it becomes more plausible that we could be a little bit like whatever we meet out there, at least on the molecular level, but even then it's rare enough for a disease to jump between two different mammals, the differences between planets would be enormous.

Personally, I do think that dropping bacteria bombs on planets with small scale existing ecosystems would be a catastrophe. I think that interacting with intelligent life, should we ever be lucky enough to stumble upon it, is completely inevitable and as such it's more important to focus on getting that interaction right than deciding whether or not we should. It only takes one person to open their mouth, after all, and an entire planet to keep quiet.

One thing that not a lot of people realize is that carbon is very likely the only molecule that can serve as a basis for life, because of its unique bond number. So, if we encounter other life forms, it is very likely that they will also be carbon-based. A lot of what forms "life" is simply reliant on universal properties of atoms.

In short, we will probably be able to eat them, and vise versa.

That high bond number also allows for a lot of stuff that's viable but isn't actually used or usable by earthly life. One definitely viable and definitely not usable by earth creatures (or at least not by mammals, for all we know there could be some undiscovered microorganism or fungus or weird sea creature that can make use of them) is chemicals of opposite chirality.

As for cross-infection by pathogens, viruses and plasmids would likely have a very difficult time given that the the aliens genes, even if based on similar chemicals, are unlikely to use the same base pairs (there are plenty of perfectly viable nucleobases and chemical relatives thereof that aren't used in DNA (some of them, though by no means all that are possible, are used in RNA. Uracil is of course the most famous, but you also occasionally get things like inosine/hypoxanthine). Furthermore, even if they used the same bases, it is unlikely that the same combinations would code for the same things; The genetic code by which dna codons of earthly organisms are translated into proteins is highly conserved but variations can and do exist (mitochondrial DNA is translated slightly differently than the regular dna of the rest of the cell). They might not even use the same amino acids as us; there are plenty of amino acids out there with no corresponding codon.

Literate Chaotic / Re: ITT: Original Story Ideas
« on: November 27, 2016, 02:39:31 am »
A story based on Atlas Shrugged but wih a much more realistic plot in which the John Galt equivalent is actually an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect (and/or possibly grandiose delusions)

More ideas:

*A b-movie spy film about a plot to steal the world's first underwater airplane, the "Hydroplane"

*A spoof film showing what people in the 1950's might have thought brothels would be like in the 21st century.

*A parody of the song "Do They Know It's Christmas" focusing on the idea that 3rd world counyries don't have to deal with the kind of commercialism and holiday rush at Christmas that first world people do

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Protestors Are Assholes
« on: November 25, 2016, 11:23:08 pm »
I'll give you this mate: I think you've got about 20 IQ points on Shandor. Not that it's doing you a whole mess of good right now, but hey. I was a fucking moron on for my first year and a half. Now I'm only a minor nincompoop.

It's one thing to call someone an idiot; it's another to dismantle their arguments.

That is correct. I assure you that most people here are quite aware of the difference, and have made a conscientious decision to do the former.

The latter is more work and tends to have the same end result as the former. Especially if they are an idiot.

That's exactly the kind of thing a person who can't back up their position would say.

Although I suppose this is technically a religious forum of a sort, so the occasional person expecting to be believed based purely on blind faith is to be expected

Beyond the wall / Re: Space dogs
« on: November 25, 2016, 11:14:17 pm »
Both of these things seem like the sort of thing that would only be issues depending on the range of our spaceships and possibly our intent for the planet. If we could reach a wide range of systems I can't see us ever having a legitimate reason to choose a planet with life over one an uninhabited one; that goes double if the goal is some kind of mining or resource extraction, because whereas I could see a possibility of the only planet in a system that supports life also being the only one that would be comfortable to settle down on, I can't see it being the only one with mineral wealth, so excuses would be limited for that purpose even if it was the only system we could reach.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Godwin's Law in the 21st Century
« on: November 20, 2016, 04:42:54 pm »
They hate Gays.

Even the fucking Allied Powers hated gays. They bullied Alan Turing into killing himself, and not with lame insults either, by fucking drugging him.

Well, that certainly excuses Trump, doesn't it?

Be proud.

Hey, I'm not pro-Trump, I voted for Hillary, she's better than Trump no contest. Hell, even if it somehow turned out that she really did kill Vince Foster she'd still be better than Trump. I voted for her firm in the onowledge that even if against all odds all of these dubious conspiracy theories about her somehow turned out to be true even all of them together wouldn't make her a poorer choice than Donald Trump because Donald Trump is that poor of a choice. That doesn't make Trump a literal nazi or Hillary a good person.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: The Swing of the Pendulum
« on: November 20, 2016, 05:45:34 am »
Donald Trump is the president that America has earned.

More like the president that white America has earned.

If you think they will be immune to the clusterfuck you have far more confidence in Trump's abilities than I do

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Godwin's Law in the 21st Century
« on: November 20, 2016, 05:39:27 am »
They hate Gays.

Even the fucking Allied Powers hated gays. They bullied Alan Turing into killing himself, and not with lame insults either, by fucking drugging him.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Godwin's Law in the 21st Century
« on: November 20, 2016, 12:59:39 am »
"Literally a nazi" is a very specific charge. That is the issue. If you said he was "nazi-like" or just "nazi" as hyperbole or metaphor that would be an accurate assessment, but literally a literal nazi is not. There's more to being a nazi than just being a white supremicist and a douchebag; they represent a very specific subset of white supremicist douchebags.

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