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Humans can kill pretty much anything on earth, and our abilities of reason and to directly manipulate the environment have reached a point where we could kill practically everything.

  and sometimes we even do it on purpose  :argh!:

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Cain called it. Greece defaults.
« on: August 11, 2015, 12:55:08 pm »
And the Greek Tragedy just grinds on and on. I have the BBC News channel on in the background. I'm sure they keep talking about "Greece's creditors" but it sure as fuck sounds like Greece's predators

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It works just fine for me. But then, I am a filthy Canadian.
Yeah, its working for me now, too. Still think it interesting that it was down earlier.

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"If Sanders can't stand up to some crazy-ass offshoot of BlackLivesMatter, how can he stand up to Putin?  When the 3am call comes, will Sanders just give the stage over to ISIS?"

Interesting stuff:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/

If it gains any traction, I'll have to re-revise the odds.  Some.

The site seems to be down. Interesting.

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Bring and Brag / Re: As of tonight...
« on: August 09, 2015, 09:31:08 am »
Summer holiday in the highlands

Can't sing; can't act; can dance a bit
Loved this. When I paddle at the seaside it is something of a very different order but I enjoy sharing your madness. Especially when you choose such a rocking soundtrack.

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Sounds like the right move. The review on Amazon was partly about the author releasing a re-designed edition of some sort.

Otherwise the review was full of praise but notably vague. I have never heard of this book. What is it about and for what reason is is a reading list pick?

£85 for the hardback! I'll settle for doing a google image search and deciding it really would make a stunning bog book; as upmarket toilet paper. Also, all the "reading" in it seems to be in abstruse squiggles.
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This visual encyclopedia of an unknown world written in an unknown language has fueled much debate over its meaning.
Amazon ad blurb

Apparently I am not the target audience :(

eta I read the WIRED interview with the author that Nigel recommends below. The toilet paper comment was probably a bit harsh.

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Principia Discussion / Re: Im not dIscordIan
« on: August 07, 2015, 11:26:07 pm »
If at first you don't succeed dig a deeper hole.
Law of averages says that eventually it'll work for someone

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Principia Discussion / Re: Im not dIscordIan
« on: August 07, 2015, 12:18:45 pm »
I sexually Identify as an Attack Eris. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the Cabbages dropping hot sticky Knowledge on disgusting The Machine™. People say to me that a person being a Eris is Impossible and I'm fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm beautiful. I'm having a plastic surgeon install Golden apples, 30 mm Chao-te-Chings and AMG-114 Principia discordias on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me "Discordia" and respect my right to Educate from below and unspag needlessly. If you can't accept me you're a Erisphobe and need to check your chaos privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

That is fucking brilliant! I want it tattooed on your ass, for posterity.

you mean. . . posteriority?

damn, I thought I had spelled it wrong

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Principia Discussion / Re: Im not dIscordIan
« on: August 07, 2015, 09:35:06 am »
I sexually Identify as an Attack Eris. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the Cabbages dropping hot sticky Knowledge on disgusting The Machine™. People say to me that a person being a Eris is Impossible and I'm fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm beautiful. I'm having a plastic surgeon install Golden apples, 30 mm Chao-te-Chings and AMG-114 Principia discordias on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me "Discordia" and respect my right to Educate from below and unspag needlessly. If you can't accept me you're a Erisphobe and need to check your chaos privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

That is fucking brilliant! I want it tattooed on your ass, for posterity.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Fish: the once and future fast food
« on: August 07, 2015, 08:57:19 am »
Or, rather, we needed to about 50 years ago. It's too late now.

I hope you are wrong about it being too late, but it certainly looks like we are rushing blithely towards a cliff atm :(

You are dead right about education though. That has to be our "last, best, hope". But it needs to be the sort of education that changes unhelpful behaviours like the public campaigns 50 odd years ago [over here anyhow] that made it social unacceptable to go out and get drunk and than drive home. Does drink driving still happen, hells yes; but overall social attitudes towards it have changed markedly.

The optimist in me says it never too late, the pessimist says that it is so far past late that it really isn't funny, the realist says that the longer it is before we look seriously at the underlying causes of things like poverty and ecological degredation the more people are going to be damaged in the process of trying to survive our profligate history.

@Dok Howl: Btw I wasn't saying that what you said about poverty as a driver for population growth was wrong, just that poverty in turn is being driven by other factors which are of a higher order, and that you can't "fix" poverty without addressing those underlying structural problems/issues, I should have been clearer on that.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Fish: the once and future fast food
« on: August 06, 2015, 09:26:15 pm »
Why?

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Fish: the once and future fast food
« on: August 06, 2015, 07:19:32 pm »
Poverty isn't a cause, its an effect. Our system is in overdrive, it needs excess; it needs the "overs", over consumption, overpopulation, overproduction, etc etc. "Everything in moderation" might be the recommended course of action for the individual but the system's demands are immoderate; breed breed breed, consume consume consume.

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Fish: the once and future fast food
« on: August 06, 2015, 03:44:36 pm »
If we could just ease up on our determination to view absolutely everything as a resource to be used up as fast as possible, fish stocks would probably rebound pretty quickly. Hell, with decent fishing management combined with habitat restoration we could probably even restore the salmon and eel runs.

Instead, we have this absurd situation of death by a thousand paper cuts, with street runoff the largest contributor to ocean pollution, huge dead zones caused by ag runoff, enormous warm water patches pushing massive droughts in growing regions, and everyone too stupidly myopic to look at more than one problem at a time to see how they all fit together.

And, I know it isn't a particularly popular view in some quarters, but while there are currently diminishing resources of fish, fowl, and good red herring there always seems to be an unlimited quantity of people. That is one thing the world surely isn't short of - people. And until we start to look seriously at social alternatives in which our comfortable 21st c lives are not supported on the backs of slave labour; most, if not all of them conveniently hidden in places where we don't need to look at them, whole other continents for preference, it doesn't look as though there will be any improvement. And market capitalism, that wonderful system where the market element is manipulated at government level to ensure that the market not only doesn't but in reality can't operate as the theoreticians say that it should/could. And we are living in a system that is predicated on infinite and perpetual growth of both the size of the population and the size of the world economy to maintain standards of living and fuel continually rising prosperity? More Law of Unintended Consequences there than you could shake a stick at. I reckon that when that shit hits the fan people are going to look back to the dark ages with nostalgia. [/old fart]
In other words, yes you nailed it Nigel

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Fish: the once and future fast food
« on: August 06, 2015, 08:49:18 am »
Seeing as how the ocean is mostly empty now except for vent worms and jellyfish, we should probably concentrate on domesticating fish.

We'll have to catch them first  :wink: but that sounds like a good solution to me.
                 

eta Also there is a fortune to be made for anyone who can work out wtf to do with jellyfish

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: Fish: the once and future fast food
« on: August 05, 2015, 11:22:46 pm »
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what is not to love about that
Are you saying it's a bad thing that humans will have selective pressure to get better at fishing?

Getting better at fishing is just that tired old trope the Arms Race in a different light anyway. We need better solutions not just faster ways of doing the same old things. Of course YMMV

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