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Principia Discussion / Re: Chaos is Energy
« on: November 16, 2018, 05:11:16 pm »
Firstly, how do I get to know what creativity means to me? What's the advice for uncertainty about that?

Aren't you the Pope? Get Eris on the horn, ask her directly.

Principia Discussion / Re: Chaos is Energy
« on: November 15, 2018, 08:48:14 pm »
I kinda think that the original framers of the Principia1 did believe in a hierarchy between creative and destructive forces. While Order/Disorder are equal and up for interpretation, their advice is to embrace creative over destructive, whatever that means to you.

Whether this "creativity is better than destruction" hierarchy is moral, or cosmic, or comic, or spiritual, or arbitrary--is anybody's guess.

1 the OG Chairfuckers, you know who I mean

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: November 15, 2018, 08:38:44 pm »
I like that he calls the enemy of Anti-fascists the US Government monopoly on violence.

I know hes incapable of recognizing what that means, but that just makes it all the more rich and interesting, I think.

yeah in a previous era, other people might have said to him JESUS FUCK, DON'T EXPLAIN IT LIKE THAT

but ahhhh, fuck it, it's all out in the open now

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: November 15, 2018, 04:12:48 pm »
Chao Te Ching Verse 51:

If you want to be serious,
don't take yourself seriously.
Be open to change,
and bold enough to be the butt of the joke.

When you walk with total certainty,
your head high
like a cosmic schmuck,
you are vulnerable to the old banana peel shtick.

When a schmuck slips,
their face becomes red with embarrassment.
Eris showed them what they did not perceive.
And, be honest, it was funny.

My Discordia's about not taking myself so seriously, being able to turn on a dime, flip the table, laugh at myself, become the next Me.

The self is the messy bedroom. It gets cleaned now and then, but the mess returns. Instead of trying to end the mess forever, Discordia celebrates its return. The precondition for knowledge is ignorance. The jailbreak never ends.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Reality Safari: Gurdjieff
« on: November 15, 2018, 03:35:02 pm »
I've hit a wall of some sort... In the work, we call it an "Interval". This refers a point where things might continue forward as planned, or veer off in another direction. The key is to approach the interval consciously, because if you let yourself be steered by circumstance alone, you will end up betraying your original aim. Or maybe you need to drop the original aim, that's the proper way to proceed - you have to make that decision yourself.

The wall is this Movements class. I've been going on Wednesday nights. And I'm finding myself frustrated, it's chewing up my energy and spitting it out undigested. The frustration stems from a few things:

1. The commute. The class is from 9 til 10 PM. At that hour, the trains are only running intermittently, so I've gotta choose.. If I leave my house at 7:45, I can get to the class at about 9:05 PM, missing the first 5 minutes. If I leave the house at 7:00, I get there about 40 minutes early and just have to bum around manhattan in the cold.

And if the class breaks on time, then I can get home by 11:15. Last night, it went like 3 minutes over, resulting in a missed train, resulting in me not getting home until midnight. Now don't get me wrong, I know how to enjoy myself on a commute, got a lot of reading done. But it's really draining my energy to spend basically 2-4 hours (and $25) in commute every week for a 1 hour class.

2. I'm having a lot of trouble following the movements. The instructor will give us a series of motions, and then we do them as a group. Sometimes I can't see or hear the instructions, or didn't get it on the first try. Then, for the next 10 minutes, I'm tripping over myself trying to stay in sync with everybody. The movements are additive, we learn a few, then we add another layer onto them, then we add another layer onto them, until it's this very complex and precise series of motions and rhythms. And if I didn't get the first steps, I just stumble through the rest - it's like a house being built on a weak foundation.

I feel like I'm just not good at it, I'm uncoordinated and have trouble following/remembering each step. Instead of feeling harmonious, in sync with the others both physically and mentally, I'm never getting over the top of the hill to where it feels comfortable. By the end of the class, I don't know if this is how I'm supposed to feel, but I'm drained, exhausted. Not exhausted like "wow, I really worked up a sweat today, got some work done", but exhausted like "that was a lot of effort and I don't think I got anything out of it."

A friend that practices ecstatic dance says that these things aren't about being in sync with the outside world, they're about building a space inside of yourself. I have not been able to build that space.

3. I'm craving an explanation. I mentioned how it seems like they want us to discover / infer / build the meaning ourselves, they are not really telling us a lot about the movements or what they accomplish. And I understand this. Knowledge given to you is not as solid as knowledge you build yourself. But after about 6 classes, I haven't built much. I don't know what these motions accomplish. And I don't think they're going to tell us. How is this "self work"? How does this help consciousness emerge? How is Esoteric Simon Says better than me sitting in a room for an hour doing the limb sensing exercise, or staying present during a conversation?

The weekly meetings, where we talk in a group about our experiments in awareness -- I've found them really helpful, productive, stimulating. I can sense that I am more awake now than I was a year ago. I'm better able to sense the difference between awake and asleep, and have some tools to make myself present.

The sacred movements, on the other hand, have not affected by day to day life. Are they supposed to? Will they, one day? I really don't know. And without some undestanding of what the goal is, I cannot commit to a full year of these classes.

So I'm done. I'm dropping the movement class. It pains me, because it's part of what interested me in the Gurdjieff work to begin with. When I watch the movements, I'm in awe of them. The dancers seem so present, in a higher state of awareness. But I have not had that experience.

As an aside, I'm thinking about some of the stuff I was being careful about in the beginning, like the potential that the Fourth Way is a predatory cult. I haven't talked to my instructor yet about dropping the classes. I do not expect to meet any resistance - last time I mentioned to her that getting to the classes has been a real sacrifice for me, she suggested that maybe it isn't the right year to start.

Hail Eris. I'm focusing on those words right now--they give me power. I told you guys months ago, if I get in too far, Eris will save me.

Eris will allow me to quit, to change gears, to banish with laughter. Eris is the gate to not taking all that shit so seriously, letting it bog me down, letting my identity get twisted around something that isn't nourishing me. Because maybe it's all bullshit, maybe it's just a silly hat I'm trying on as part of a Reality Safari.

In terms of "the interval", maybe this Discordian energy (in particular: curiosity, freedom, self discovery) is what I should embody as I approach the gap.

Principia Discussion / Re: Chaos is Energy
« on: November 13, 2018, 09:53:33 pm »
I think

that no matter what,

your life is going to include creative and destructive elements

Destructive energy, used properly, is in service to the creation of something better. Sometimes you have to tear down something in order to make room for something else.

Destructive energy without a constructive goal becomes a disease. Think about the sourpuss negative people you know, who never have anything good to say, only criticism and negativity. This sucks, that sucks, break break break. In the end, they're bitter and alone.

But when you destroy, if you do it from a place of of love, it has a different quality. Decay fertilizes the soil. It makes the flowers grow, and that's beautiful.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: November 08, 2018, 05:59:13 pm »
thank God Pelosi's searching for "common ground"

hoping she finds it:

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: November 08, 2018, 05:39:03 pm »

Jim Acosta had a heated exchange with Trump, had his press pass revoked, and then the administration lied about him getting handsy with a staffer.

Here's side by side comparison of the original footage and the doctored footage released by the White House.

These are dark times, this seriously disturbs me.

Apple Talk / Re: Obligatory Invisibles TV Show Thread
« on: November 08, 2018, 03:31:55 pm »
You know who could play King Mob?

Lawrence Fishburne

Apple Talk / Obligatory Invisibles TV Show Thread
« on: November 08, 2018, 02:49:45 pm »

  • Morrison's beginning work on an Invisibles TV show
  • They don't have a network yet, but let's hope it's Netflix (some Invisibles Graffiti was visible in the background of a Stranger Things episode)
  • Wouldn't it be cool to see the scenes that they lifted for The Matrix?
  • Wouldn't it be cool if this story was actually filmable

Apple Talk / Re: Let's start our own newsfeed, without blackjack or hookers
« on: November 06, 2018, 07:55:22 pm »
"Wheelchair-bound 94-year old German on trial for Nazi crimes"

As all these US political crimes go unpunished, it's sorta heart warming to know that you're never really off the hook.

Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: November 01, 2018, 01:06:29 pm »
I did some open source intelligence training today.  It was fun.  Turns out you can get a lot from Facebook profiles with the right search strings.

interesting! is there google-indexed info that isn't public?

Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: October 26, 2018, 08:29:49 pm »
Just applied for an editor gig at Wizards of the Coast - wish me luck! Slim chances, but it would be a dream.

Aneristic Illusions / Re: Mail bomb speculation thread
« on: October 26, 2018, 01:52:50 pm »
I just want to take a moment to imagine the hell world we'd be in if any of the people who received bombs were actually injured or killed.

Maybe we don't live in the worst possible timeline--but we've reached a simmer.

Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: October 25, 2018, 05:12:26 pm »
That's awesome, QGP!

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