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Beyond the wall / Re: FUCKING ORANGE EATING CONTEST
« on: December 08, 2016, 02:12:48 pm »
:argh!:  I had assumed that the fruit trucks outside of my building would have whole oranges. They only have diced oranges for fruit salad. This city is full of barbarians. 

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Beyond the wall / Re: FUCKING ORANGE EATING CONTEST
« on: December 06, 2016, 05:52:24 pm »
fuck all of you


no...


FUCK ALL OF YOU


no.... NO



FUCK YOU ALL

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Techmology and Scientism / Re: I need someone smarter than me to parse this
« on: December 01, 2016, 08:15:51 pm »
All very valid criticisms, but not really touching on the part of the article I found interesting, which was the bit about the math inferring that there is very likely a single-source origin for consciousness.

this question lead me down a little rabbit hole of investigating the evolution of the Corpus Callosum (that little gray poop which connects your left and right hemispheres)

I found this paper, but it is mostly conjecture - sounds like its still a big guessing game.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Unlimited Brazilian Hilarity Thread
« on: December 01, 2016, 07:48:18 pm »
Drug dealer spends 120 thousand reais to build a motel... inside the jail he was imprisoned at.

Of course another 70 thousand were spent as bribes for the jail's manager, who helped him negotiate with the constrution firm. Apparently the whole thing was up in 20 days.



I could spend whole weeks looking for this kind of news and not scratch the surface.

 :lulz: :lulz:
that's hilarious and amazing---
but how did he have it built inside the jail?

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Beyond the wall / Re: Spagbook
« on: December 01, 2016, 07:46:59 pm »
I guess I could let y'all peep the spaglette:



Oh my god she's adorable! That's a great picture.

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Beyond the wall / Re: Welcome to Discordia
« on: December 01, 2016, 02:42:29 pm »

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Bring and Brag / Re: Squiggles
« on: November 30, 2016, 10:39:31 pm »
Can I has a squiggle?

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Turning Purple
« on: November 30, 2016, 07:50:59 pm »
Another problem I'm having.

There's a narrative that "the GOP gave the voters a solution to their problems, and the DNC didn't".

There's something wrong with that assessment, and one that was a main part of the election season.  The GOP's solutions were bullshit.  Debunked, disproven, shown to be faulty, and damaging.  The Democrats repeated this, the media repeated this, the speeches repeated this.  The Trump voters didn't care.  They apparently preferred to be lied to, to be comforted, to be pacified, to be pandered to.

Repeatedly, fingers pointed to basic math, simple global politics, elementary science, and the voters decided that irrationality was more comfortable.

"Trump offered a solution" is not the truth. Trump offered comfortable lies.  The Democrats offered a solution, but all people could talk about were bullshit email servers.  Their solution wasn't great, but it was plausible

There's a story being developed now, heading towards "lying to the public is the best way to win elections."


We are living in the aftermath of the Perfect Storm. Its winds were the intersection of politics and entertainment. Its clouds were self serving media and poor media literacy. I think the current hydra has numerous heads, and there will be no simple approach - they have to be combatted individually.

I'm a pragmatist. I am mostly concerned with figuring out what specific actions will push the pendulum back to the left.


Since the election I've been keeping an eye on 4chan's /pol/ subforum (which is a disgusting place, don't go there) because I like to understand the shitbag's thinking in their own terms. It has highlighted, to me, how useless it is to appeal to some of these people in moral terms.



Aside from them -- I think that some victories can be won by appealing to people's better nature, ie, encouraging them to resist these racist trends.

But meanwhile - for many of the people who didn't vote blue (whether they voted Trump or just abstained),  that approach has not been working. In some ways it's made the problem worse. I saw Facebook FLOODED with these posts: "If you are voting for trump, you are a racist, unfriend me". And I talked to some Trump voters who said that kind of energy, over time, made them disengage. It didn't persuade them, it just made them tuck in and wait for it to blow over. And for those people, I think a different approach is needed.

I think about my Dad... He was a Sanders supporter. And then his property tax got jacked up by almost 30% in one quarter. Suddenly, his house was underwater. Once year after retirement, he had to sell his house and auction off most of his belongings. At that moment, he was reborn as a single issue voter: Taxes. And I can engage him about racism and he largely agrees, but that's not what he's basing his decision on.

So I'm not saying we have to abandon progressive principles and values... But I am saying that in the service of those principles we need better techniques, more tools in the kit.

I don't think that there's a single approach that will win working-class people back left. I think we'll need a mix of education, pointing out Trump's failures, and a healthy feel-good dose of Shaming.

Also, I think there is a lot of shitty liberal behavior out there, and that's become a narrative weapon against liberals. Though pinpointing that and addressing it will probably only further splinter the left.


I am also trying to imagine a news source which doesn't feed into the bubble-phenomenon of delivering the exact narrative people want to hear... Could one exist?

Because if a news source was CAPABLE of attracting both liberals and conservatives, it would beat out the partisan sources.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Unlimited Brazilian Hilarity Thread
« on: November 30, 2016, 06:57:35 pm »
And I hear they are dropping the "car wash" corruption investigations now??


Brazil seems so bleak, man. The whole world is swinging right in a crazy, dangerous way.




At least there are motions that the Supreme Court is going to legalize abortion.

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okay, ramble time


https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/22/googles-ai-translation-tool-seems-to-have-invented-its-own-secret-internal-language/

As DNN's and the like become more complex and learning increasingly unattended, more and more their operations become unfathomable to meatware. Potential for lulz are off the charts.

Q) "Skynet - why did you nuke Sweden?"
A) "#1#B:)"w8;,1"lk"



So, Machine Learning... first, the sci-fi "are machines going to outsmart us?" angle -----

My (mis)understanding is that these things work by observing the existing relationships within a corpus. When asked to make a decision, it's just selecting the "most probable response" based on the existing relationships.

To me, that implies a ceiling of what's capable using this method. Neural networks trying to model human intelligence can become, at best, as smart as a human. If there is some advanced form of reasoning that we don't use, it won't appear in a neural network (at least, not one that's studying humans).


Next, let me talk about this clickbaity TechCrunch article... Lemme see if I understand.

Google wants to translate from, say, Japanese to Kivunjo. It has not been programmed with the explicit relationship between Kivunjo and Japanese words. But it can figure out through context that the word "dog" in japanese is XXX and the word "dog" in Kivunjo is YYY and then translate XXX into YYY.

Quote from: the article
...does that mean that the computer has formed a concept of shared meaning for those words, meaning at a deeper level than simply that one word or phrase is the equivalent of another?

Kinda.. in the same sense that google's autocomplete 'understands' what you're looking for. It's extrapolating based on context clues. Whether you merit that as 'thinking' or 'just following a smart algorithm' is up to you.

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In other words, has the computer developed its own internal language to represent the concepts it uses to translate between other languages?

I don't know that I'd credit the computer with that kind of agency. I'd phrase it like - the programmers of the google translation tool developed a really interesting semantic engine. It uses metadata like context and grammar to guess the translation of any given word, without being given an explicit dictionary.



let me hack at this with a different axe



-"I love to pet my Cujo. He has four legs and wags his tail when he's happy. He barks when he's angry."
-"I love to pet my Breenbal. He has four legs and wags his tail when he's happy. He barks when he's angry."

After being fed these sentences, the google translation bot will recognize that the word Cujo and Breenbal are used in the same context. When you see one of those words, you're also likely to see words like "pet", "four legs", "wags tail", "bark"... The computer may flag this as a likely synonym for "dog".

When the computer is generating a sentence, it might use Cujo or Breenbal interchangeably. This is because they have similar 'semantic webs'. We didn't need to teach it that Cujo = Dog and that Cujo = Breenbal because it gets its meaning from context. Both terms commonly appear with words like "pet", "bark", etc.




Is it "emergent behavior"? Mmm I wouldn't call it that.

Are machines getting smarter? Eh, I think programmers are getting smarter, and machines are using more complex techniques, but it's not like this thing actually understands the 'meaning' of these words.

Is this an extremely clever approach to translation? Very much so.

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Beyond the wall / Re: Space dogs
« on: November 30, 2016, 05:52:39 pm »
Hi everybody!   :wave:   Interesting thread...

If we encounter a planet with no life on it, and no obvious 'potential for life', I think it's "fair game" for mining and exploitation.

I think that planets which may one day have life need to be approached cautiously. But then the question becomes - When does life [on a planet] begin? At something like amino acids?


In my daydream hypothetical contact with alien life, I imagine the definition of 'life' will come into question. Like maybe life on other planets don't consist of distinct organisms, but something like distributed systems with lifelike properties.

There's a really good Kim Stanley Robinson book where space explorers have to deal with sickness caused by these alien 'prions'. It's basically just a protein molecule that unfolds in a dangerous way when exposed to some of the chemicals in our bodies. Like a virus, we don't consider a prion to be living... but when you're on an alien planet, how can you be sure?

I conjecture that we can (and should) come up with an agreement about ethical exploration.. but I think that parts of the plan will be confusing to apply. Whether a planet has 'life' or not may be fuzzy, hard to determine until we're already knee deep.

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Beyond the wall / Re: McConnelling.
« on: June 09, 2016, 03:26:08 pm »
ohhhh yeahhhh

*makes eye contact with the camera like Ferris Bueller*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxzmV1CcVv8


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