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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: Yesterday at 08:21:21 pm »
Daaaamn, even worse than Grand Central at 9 AM

Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Drinks are on the Supreme Court
« on: December 13, 2018, 03:35:24 pm »
what's the central line? noisy train, I'm guessing?

do you mean that the flat mates bother you up when they come home at midnight?

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: December 12, 2018, 03:18:25 pm »
That was awesome. I love how Trump thinks he's getting the better of them but is clearly floundering and struggling to stay buoyant.

Schumer goes “When the president brags he won North Dakota and Indiana, he's in real trouble.”

Trump is like "We did win them."

what a big boy!

Apple Talk / Re: On Language
« on: December 08, 2018, 12:39:15 pm »
Loving this thread! Reminding me of a chapter The Language Instinct where Pinker goes apeshit about e-prime.

The linguists Sapir and Whorf developed the language-determinism hypothesis based on sloppy evidence.

Whorf blamed language for lots of problems. For example, at a construction site, a worker threw a match into a trash can labeled “empty”, causing an explosion. The trashcan was actually filled with gasoline vapor. Whorf used this example in several papers to talk about how language determines our reality. But is this really language’s fault? A trash can filled with explosive vapor LOOKS empty, so isn’t this error more the fault of perception than language?

Whorf was fascinated by really poor translations of Apache language, which he assumed meant Apaches think about the universe in fundamentally different ways than we do. But he never actually talked to any Apaches, his assumptions about their psychology are based entirely on apache grammar - which makes the argument circular. To support his point, he relied on increasingly tortured translations of different languages. He said the English phrase “The boat is grounded on the beach” would be said in Apache as “It is on the beach pointwise as an event of canoe motion.” It’s definitely not like English! But it doesn’t follow that they have different thoughts. — other linguists have pointed out that Whorf’s translations are clumsy, word-for-word translations. Pinker writes, “Turning the tables, I could take the English sentence 'he walks’ and render it as as solitary masculinity, leggedness proceeds.’”

Whorf also thought that the Hopi language didn’t have tense, and therefore Hopi had a different perception of time. But that’s just straight up wrong, and nobody knows where he got the idea.

Let’s move onto empirical evidence – there have been 35+ years of research on the Whorfian hypothesis. The studies which support are for the most part, pretty weak. In one experiment, subjects are shown colored paint chips. In followup memory tests, subjects seem to have an easier time remembering paint chips which have names in their language. But they also remember colors without names – so the experiment does not show that colors are remembered by verbal labels alone. All it shows is that people remembered the chips in two forms (visual image and verbal label), and that the visual memory is more fallible. Not really surprising. Pinker writes, “Language is, technically speaking, influencing a form of thought in some way, but so what? It is hardly an example of incommensurable world views, or of dissecting nature along lines laid down by our native language according to terms that are absolutely obligatory.”

Alfred Bloom’s book “The Linguistic Shaping of Thought” tried another experiment - he gave Chinese and American students a passage to read, then tested them on it. The passage relied heavily on the subjunctive-clause, which is absent in Chinese. On followup tests, American students got 98% right, Chinese students got only 7% right. Bloom concluded that the Chinese language renders its speakers unable to entertain hypothetical false worlds without great mental effort. A cavalry of cognitive scientists disagreed with these tales of the concreteness of the Oriental mind. They pointed out numerous problems in the experiments, like that the Chinese translations of the passage were really bad, and at times genuinely ambiguous. When these flaws were fixed in subsequent experiments, the differences vanished.

Apple Talk / Re: Merry Moosemas
« on: December 07, 2018, 03:36:24 pm »
BUMP because I'm throwing a Moosemas party tomorrow. I had to check this thread to see what year I started doing it.. so this will be my 11th year! Which means it's my 13th moosemas party, because I think I've thrown two "Moosemas in July" parties.

Moosemas 2010, for reference

« on: December 03, 2018, 01:06:11 pm »
In my defense, I couldn't not post this:

Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: November 28, 2018, 02:07:54 pm »
Why someone has not primaried the shit out of him I do not understand.

ugh, we (new yorkers) tried

Cynthia Nixon got him to slide a little bit to the left in order to defeat her, but he's pretty fuckin entrenched

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Simulated reality
« on: November 27, 2018, 12:54:13 pm »
If this were a simulation, Eris would not exist.

if She 'exists' at this layer of abstraction
and so do you and me
then you, me, and Her are equally real

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Simulated reality
« on: November 26, 2018, 06:16:34 pm »
One of the weird things about the simulation hypothesis is that if it's true, then our lives have objective meaning

Also, a simulated universe is definitely the product of intelligent design.

checkmate, atheists and absurdists

Does the life of an NPC have objective meaning if it never interacts with the PCs? If the plot would be the same whether resources were wasted rendering you, isn't that a form of meaninglessness?

When you start a new game of Dwarf Fortress, it generates an entire world at a very fine level. Hundreds of thousands of dwarves are born, live out their lives, and die, leaving behind ruins & legacies. The vast majority of their lives do not affect your gameplay. But nevertheless, there was a purpose in generating them.

Anyway, I don't think there are PCs or NPCs in the Simulation hypothesis? If a world was generated on purpose, then everybody in the simulation is part of that purpose.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Simulated reality
« on: November 26, 2018, 03:01:41 pm »
One of the weird things about the simulation hypothesis is that if it's true, then our lives have objective meaning

Also, a simulated universe is definitely the product of intelligent design.

checkmate, atheists and absurdists

« on: November 20, 2018, 06:17:11 pm »

Apple Talk / Re: Who You Are
« on: November 20, 2018, 05:51:08 pm »
I love this

evokes the Principia's line "And so it is that we, as men, do not exist until we do"

I had a real ego breakdown a few months ago while trying to answer the question "what are my values?"

and I realized that if my values are derived from my actions, rather than my intent, I have fewer practical values than I profess.

and this, in turn, got me off my ass

Apple Talk / Re: Postergasm Brainstorm
« on: November 20, 2018, 02:16:42 pm »
Yes. Howl nailed it.

Let’s try to put an end to the rugged individual meme.

Here's the main thing:  The rugged individualist meme - alongside American libertarianism in general - is a perfect extension of logic from an incorrect assumption.  Humans are by nature a cooperative species.  The mistake made by the RI/Libertarian crowd is that they assume that To cooperate with the group is to surrender your identity.

And that last bit is the part we have to attack.

love this

kinda reminded of buckminster fuller's "spaceship earth" concept, of thinking of the world as an interdependent ecology.

Cooperation makes us human

Cooperation enables individuality

Inside you, someone is saying "Tear down this wall"

QGP, I love those images! Those are def going into this hypothetical collection.

Apple Talk / Re: Postergasm Brainstorm
« on: November 19, 2018, 08:16:16 pm »
The revolution will not appear in your news feed.

Fav line of the thread so far

I think the important layer is that FB has really become one of the places people go to become informed about the world - but becoming genuinely informed is impossible on FB, there is too much of a signal:noise problem, and the newsfeed algorithm is biased. And all that Jaron Lanier stuff about how it's basically stealing your spare CPU cycles and rewiring your brain.


<insert non-threatening pic of something that is obviously NOT normal>

Like this one, too

One thought that comes to mind is the environmental crisis.

I saw a meme the other day which put it something like "We only have 130 months to stage a complete revolution. LIBERALS: ok, I guess I shouldn't use shampoo with palm oil"

It seems to me that the tone of this says "Alex Jones."

I know it's trendy for the left to other the shit out of "liberals", but when most people see that, they assume it's Rush Limbaugh talking.

That's a good point.

I do feel like we're reaching a point where, even if we were to surf some impossibly blue wave, we'd still be completely fucked... The tension surrounding this issue has become "buisness as usual" even as the existential threat has grown more real.

Honestly, I don't think anything will happen until the public receives a terrible "shock", like some coastal city being evacuated permanently, or food supply chains breaking down.

And I think there are probably less than 1000 people in the world who are really "responsible" for how it's going on right now - that is, they are the ones whose hands are actually on the wheel and could execute systemic changes. So in that context, it's not like we plebs can do anything other than get angry and loud. IDK if I can say what shock regular pedestrians "need" to get to that point where they make the environment a central issue for them. It all makes me feel pretty helpless.

Apple Talk / Re: Postergasm Brainstorm
« on: November 19, 2018, 03:55:22 pm »
The Gurdjieffian technique called "Self Remembering" is the most useful and mind-expanding practice I've discovered in years. In short form, it involves observing the self, while also being aware of the part of your mind doing the observation. I wish I could give people this gift.

Another writer (Van Vogt) blazed a path to self-remembering, called the "cortical-thalamic pause":

"Van Vogt refers to this system as the cortical-thalamic pause. Instead of reacting immediately and often blindly to a situation, Null-A teaches us to stop and consider our total reaction and options before responding. This requires training for a person to use successfully, particularly on an automatic level. General Semantics, then, offers a method for improving our ability to reason, evaluate, communicate, etc. It involves the recognition and understanding of our thoughts, feelings, bias, judgments, perceptions, assumptions and inferences. It is definitely beneficial for our best interests and survival."

Gurdjieff's practice teases consciousness out of automatism by shining the light of awareness on unconscious factors acting upon us. Evokes Carl Jung's idea that the therapeutic process is about making the unconscious conscious. A standard method for this in the Fourth Way tradition is to raise awareness of the body ("You are now breathing manually"), and the context it exists in. When I Self Remember, I try to see myself through the lens of a distant movie camera. This moment, this exact instant where I'm having this thought, is not going to be cut from the picture, left on the editing room floor. This is the scene. This is the moment. This is isn't the dress rehersal, you only get one life, and this is part of it.

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