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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Forward Progress
« on: July 16, 2007, 05:45:56 pm »
Yeah, I think I agree with you Rev.



what about Toxicity?

That one's always seemed kind of heavy to me, especially in that it "dehumanizes the opposition".

I think it's definitely one of those passages which is illustrating one person's prison rather than helping people out of it.

The last few lines (to the right of the graphic) I think could be cut / replaced.


this is the part I'm talking about--
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are we witnessing some kind of separation occurring? an identifiable type of separation?

do we know what one of 'them' looks like?

a wide-eyed blank stare?

the type that is able to shuffle along?

the type that is able to perk their ears up to take an order?


some of us 'love' some of these beings which brings to light the messiness of the situation - do 'us' and 'them' have a future together?

to say no

implies some drama

some might suggest tragedy

i dont even think i want to continue


any thoughts there LHX?

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: blackironprison.com
« on: July 16, 2007, 05:41:50 pm »
any progress Rev?



also:

I recall a while back reading a passage on why it was important to have the BIP metaphor. the gist of it was that once we have the metaphor, you can use that metaphor to enact change in your life.

Like life isn't "really" a black iron prison. But if you can see life through that lens, it will help you escape from the sort of traps that the BIP metaphor warns us about.

I think this passage is useful in establishing why we're talking about Shrapnel. So far the shrapnel discussion hasn't recommended any course of action or anything, it's just trying to create a metaphor for how things (memes?) are happening to us / from us. Once we have a good conception of that, we can move on to more dark and preachy essays.  :p

But anyway, does anyone know which passage I'm talking about? It may already be on the wiki. If it isn't, it should be.



Professor Cramulus

10998
Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Forward Progress
« on: July 16, 2007, 05:31:57 pm »
Being Free

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Being Free/A touch of The Conspiracy/modern bullshit

Haven't you had enough yet? Are you getting sick of it all? You should be. Sickness is our way of life. Take this pill, do this job, but we wont give you enough time to cook, so eat this pre-made meal.

Hey, it may kill you...eventually, but think of the poor starving children in Ethiopia. Sure, your apathy over politics helped contribute to the mess, but think of them! Care for this, eat that, watch this, take your crap, drink your beer and stay smiling. We tell you where to go and what to do.

Tired of being bought and sold like cattle? Are you sheep or goat? Do you want to be led by the nose or do you want to headbutt the herders, then perhaps run amok the flock for a while, scaring the bejeezus out of them?

There's too much of everything nowadays, everything that in a special way is nothing. Keeping up with the neighbours and the fashions while trying to keep up with the bills while having your attention distracted by vacuous twits on the idiot box. It drains you to the point that caring becomes too much of a hassle and the depressives of society become an attractive choice to make.

And thaté─˘s exactly how They want it! Tired little sheep kept running by the faithful hounds all day long until they are too tired and submit, they break. Who are They? Nowadays, practically everyone...your boss, your leaders, the media at large, the people responsible for American Idol/X-Factor/fill-in-pointless waste of music reality-TV program here....a huge faceless confederacy constantly trying to sway you this way and that, turn you into a follower of anything.

But you can be free. You can sign your very own Declaration of Independence today, turn the tables on this alliance of idiot leaders who would take you for all you have! How? By ignoring them and taking your own road. Yes, ité─˘s that simple. What has paying them attention ever done, other than distract and depress you? Until you do that, you cannot own yourself, despite having every material need in the world fulfilled. You can live the safe, numbing 'life' of a servant or you can live it how it was meant to be, exciting and terrifying but ultimately free.


I modified it a bit to see how it sounds in the third person:


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Being Free/A touch of The Conspiracy/modern bullshit

Haven't they had enough yet? Are they getting sick of it all? They should be. Sickness is our way of life. Take this pill, do this job, but we wont give you enough time to cook, so eat this pre-made meal.

Hey, it may kill them... eventually, but think of the poor starving children in Ethiopia. Sure, their apathy over politics helped contribute to the mess, but think of them! Care for this, eat that, watch this, take a crap, drink a beer and stay smiling. The Machine tells them where to go and what to do.

it definitely reads differently. Loses some of its fire I think, because you're no longer appealing directly to the reader.

Do you guys feel this is one of the "preachy" passages? And if so, how can we update it?

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Forward Progress
« on: July 16, 2007, 04:38:23 pm »
Yes.  I'm assuming when you say "identify" that means it will be publically or privately identified to give the author a chance to plead their case. 

Yeah, hopefully people will quote the relevant sections here.
Optimally this discussion won't look like an "attack/defend" game where someone needs to 'plead their case'. In a perfect world filled with rainbows and unicorn farts, the author would suggest changes or rewrite the section himself, and everyone would go "mmhmm mhmm yeah much cooler".

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Or Kill Me / Re: Alright, I'm gonna lay this out.
« on: July 16, 2007, 04:27:50 pm »
relevant thread:
Is it time for a jailbreak?

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: Forward Progress
« on: July 16, 2007, 04:24:04 pm »
Please note that sections can be "too dark or too preachy" without being poorly written. In the past, I've tried to isolate which parts need editing, but found myself tripped up because a lot of the dark passages are very cool and well written. I don't think any of the original authors will be offended by pointing these passages out as long as we clarify that it's not the writing we're focusing on, but the overall feel.

Was that clear?

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Forward Progress
« on: July 16, 2007, 04:19:41 pm »
split from the From a BIP reader thread.

Cramulus' Suggestions for forward progress


1. identify the specific sections of the BIP which are considered too dark or too preachy (the two most common complaints about it).
2. modify them on the wiki.
3. take all this stuff and put it in a new PDF-book. In this book the BIP metaphor is mixed in with humorous stuff such as meme bombs, Discordians in History, the Parable of the Gong, a lot of Vex's stuff, and other more "high content / high humor" passages. Add art ranging from crazy cutups to WOMP nonsense to actual art from Fred, Syn, Vex, Silly, and the numerous other skilled artists on this board.


5. profit


Which specific sections of the BIP do you think are too dark or too preachy?

Provide links to the wiki. (hm, seems to be down at the moment)

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: from a BIP reader
« on: July 16, 2007, 03:59:32 pm »
42, I actually like the idea of "fictionalizing" aspects of the BIP as part of a "notes left behind for the next Prisoner".

I agree here too. I think if we continue the shtick (that Discordia = Joke = Religion), we need a parable which illustrates these principles.

I think we need a story about a Jesus-like figure that sees the BIP and escapes from it. You know, so followers of this ideology can say "What Would Edmund Lava do?" (or whatever his name is). Only this guy probably isn't a miraculous miracle birth with rainbows coming out of his chakras, he's probably an average gray faced shmuck like you and me. But by the end of the story he's cool.

((I just got the following funny mental picture - a training montage about illumination))

I've been thinking about writing this myself but no time at the moment.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Re: from a BIP reader
« on: July 16, 2007, 03:52:59 pm »
Cramulus' Suggestions for forward progress


1. identify the specific sections of the BIP which are considered too dark or too preachy (the two most common complaints about it).
2. modify them on the wiki.
3. take all this stuff and put it in a new PDF-book. In this book the BIP metaphor is mixed in with humorous stuff such as meme bombs, Discordians in History, the Parable of the Gong, a lot of Vex's stuff, and other more "high content / high humor" passages. Add art.


5. profit

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Or Kill Me / Re: People are things
« on: July 16, 2007, 03:45:25 pm »
Is it insensitive? yeah. But is that insensitivity rational? sadly, yeah.

I think that getting numb is a logical way to deal with the sick and twisted contemporary culture. We live in a world of glamorized and idealized violence. Every day you see a thousand people you will never meet. Are you supposed to feel empathy for them? I do sometimes. But I can't give change to every destitute beggar. I can't feel sorry for every sick sad person I pass, cell phone pressed to her ear as tears stream down her face.

During Japan's industrialization, a Japanese poet wrote that isolation is just a part of modernity. He thought the crowded Japanese train system was the loneliest place in Japan. "Isn't it ironic that I feel most alone when I'm surrounded by people?"

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Or Kill Me / Re: Moral cohesion and the Discordian Society
« on: July 16, 2007, 03:34:50 pm »
My two cents--

I'm not a part of the EB&G drama, nor do I have issue with anyone on this board (except myself). It seems to me that the rift between EB&G and PD have somehow decreased the quality of both locales.

But if we're going to move forward and carry this torch into the coming decades, we don't just need to all get on the same team, we need focus. And we need people to be willing to step up to the plate and lead -- and lead by example -- like Cain is doing.

I conjecture that if we were to complete a project, especially one that draws material from both PD and EB&G posters, it will give both communities the slack they need to move forward and explode like popcorn into something delicious.




Professor Cramulus

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Principia Discussion / Re: Hello, I am a Christian Discordian
« on: July 16, 2007, 03:16:24 pm »
                                             My mamma always said
                                     mushrooms is as mushrooms does
                                                                   \

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Or Kill Me / Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« on: July 13, 2007, 06:15:42 pm »
one e-prime snag I seem to have is getting confused about what level of uncertainty to express


Cheesecake is delicious
I like Cheesecake
I seem to like Cheesecake
I seem to like what appears to be cheesecake
Usually, I seem to like what appears to me to be cheesecake

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Or Kill Me / Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« on: July 13, 2007, 05:01:45 pm »
I think people these days make a career out of being offended by anything. In my opinion, e-prime just adds another layer of bullshit to every argument.

fixed
 :lulz:

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thanks rza

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