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Re: Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« Reply #75 on: February 15, 2007, 10:55:58 pm »
when i fix the flux capacitor on my delorean, ill go back in time and ask around

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« Reply #76 on: February 15, 2007, 11:03:32 pm »
are you gonna expect me to believe a historical claim that you type on teh intranet?

i wont throw anything

im also not gonna pretend like a obscure historical fact has validity



at least not in 2007
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« Reply #77 on: February 15, 2007, 11:06:28 pm »
are you gonna expect me to believe a historical claim that you type on teh intranet?

i wont throw anything

im also not gonna pretend like a obscure historical fact has validity



at least not in 2007

Easy.  Hit google, and look for yourself.  Weapons were our first real tools.

And you can pretend anything you like...such as the fact that burying your head in the sand will make inconvenient facts go away.
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« Reply #78 on: February 15, 2007, 11:10:41 pm »
the inconvenient fact is that there is no point of reference


where does google get his information from?

people?
experts?


there is a lot of 'convenient' websites that can provide a lot of 'convenient' facts


some people think dinosaurs didnt happen
and google has websites to prove it


EDIT:
WITH expert testimony
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« Reply #79 on: February 16, 2007, 01:19:25 am »
ill bet my nutsack and my Wu-Tang Forever CD

and my construction boots


and whatever else i got

Okay.  Which is older:  The first known stone axe (weapon), or the first known stone adze (tool)?

Adze, axe, scraper, knife, atlatl point. Whatever. Those people had to survive and they used them for that purpose: survival. A tool is a tool. Someone will likely find a different purpose for them later, but history shows their origins out of utility for survival.

Now, I'll agree with you that divination in use to predict the future is complete bullshit. Through and through. And if thats all there was to it, then we might as well throw it away. However, theres a second use (which was already stated): to open our minds to new connections and possibilities. It took years of proding by Mang, LHX, LMNO and all to realize that.

Also, tools on their own are neither bad nor good. They have no teleos, therefore they have no moral alignment (no mater what D&D has taught you).

What use a tool is, thats up to the weilder.
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« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2007, 01:42:26 am »
ill bet my nutsack and my Wu-Tang Forever CD

and my construction boots


and whatever else i got

Okay.  Which is older:  The first known stone axe (weapon), or the first known stone adze (tool)?

Adze, axe, scraper, knife, atlatl point. Whatever. Those people had to survive and they used them for that purpose: survival. A tool is a tool. Someone will likely find a different purpose for them later, but history shows their origins out of utility for survival.

Now, I'll agree with you that divination in use to predict the future is complete bullshit. Through and through. And if thats all there was to it, then we might as well throw it away. However, theres a second use (which was already stated): to open our minds to new connections and possibilities. It took years of proding by Mang, LHX, LMNO and all to realize that.

Also, tools on their own are neither bad nor good. They have no teleos, therefore they have no moral alignment (no mater what D&D has taught you).

What use a tool is, thats up to the weilder.
Never mind.  Apparently, I have stumbled across a nest of those who believe that science is no different than "any other religion".  I see no reason to advance my point.  Instead, I shall allow you all to continue your search for the perfect occult theory.
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« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2007, 01:48:44 am »
ill bet my nutsack and my Wu-Tang Forever CD

and my construction boots


and whatever else i got

Okay.  Which is older:  The first known stone axe (weapon), or the first known stone adze (tool)?

Adze, axe, scraper, knife, atlatl point. Whatever. Those people had to survive and they used them for that purpose: survival. A tool is a tool. Someone will likely find a different purpose for them later, but history shows their origins out of utility for survival.

Now, I'll agree with you that divination in use to predict the future is complete bullshit. Through and through. And if thats all there was to it, then we might as well throw it away. However, theres a second use (which was already stated): to open our minds to new connections and possibilities. It took years of proding by Mang, LHX, LMNO and all to realize that.

Also, tools on their own are neither bad nor good. They have no teleos, therefore they have no moral alignment (no mater what D&D has taught you).

What use a tool is, thats up to the weilder.
Never mind.  Apparently, I have stumbled across a nest of those who believe that science is no different than "any other religion".  I see no reason to advance my point.  Instead, I shall allow you all to continue your search for the perfect occult theory.

WTF?

Did you just suggest that I see my own life work as nothing more than religion?

X, did he really say that?

Im finding I like this person less and less.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

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« Reply #82 on: February 16, 2007, 01:51:41 am »

WTF?

Did you just suggest that I see my own life work as nothing more than religion?

X, did he really say that?

Im finding I like this person less and less.


Well, LHX was busy telling me how science was not an adequate way of looking at the world, and you came along to support his argument.

And I honestly don't give a fuck if you like me.  I prefer to hang out with rational people, not primitives who go looking for auspices in I-Ching sets or bulls' entrails...or feel the need to indulge in cheap shit like the D&D comment above.  Sorry about that.

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« Reply #83 on: February 16, 2007, 01:57:10 am »

Easy.  Hit google, and look for yourself.  Weapons were our first real tools.


heard that quite a bit too
but I cant remember what from
we're not really good at defending ourselves without tools
and before the end of the ice age the world was a pretty dangerious place
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« Reply #84 on: February 16, 2007, 02:03:15 am »

Easy.  Hit google, and look for yourself.  Weapons were our first real tools.


heard that quite a bit too
but I cant remember what from
we're not really good at defending ourselves without tools
and before the end of the ice age the world was a pretty dangerious place

Apparently, we were making adzes first, and we never used weapions as weapons.  Monkeys are just that way, I guess. *snicker*
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« Reply #85 on: February 16, 2007, 02:10:42 am »

WTF?

Did you just suggest that I see my own life work as nothing more than religion?

X, did he really say that?

Im finding I like this person less and less.


Well, LHX was busy telling me how science was not an adequate way of looking at the world, and you came along to support his argument.

And I honestly don't give a fuck if you like me.  I prefer to hang out with rational people, not primitives who go looking for auspices in I-Ching sets or bulls' entrails...or feel the need to indulge in cheap shit like the D&D comment above.  Sorry about that.


No, he was telling you that science doesn't have all the answers. And it doesn't.

Seriously, if you used science for morality, it would be NAZI Germany all over again. The idea of Eugenics is a scientifically sound one, yet morally its about as out there as you can get.

On the other hand, if you take the above sarcastic D&D comment as seriously as I think you do, you prolly wouldn't fit in here anyway.

And about the I-Ching and entrail divination. LHX a half a year back actually debunked astrology by showing the process by which these "mystics" go about calculating it (unfortunatly lost it when the Discordian Network went down) I personally have written an essay on how totally full of shit intelligent design creationism is, which is layed out in a logical and cohesive manner. As for the SSKOOON stuff, its partially a satire, and partially a mind excercise.l
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

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« Reply #86 on: February 16, 2007, 02:17:07 am »
No, he was telling you that science doesn't have all the answers. And it doesn't.

Yeah, that's why we have healing crystals.  Right?

Seriously, if you used science for morality, it would be NAZI Germany all over again. The idea of Eugenics is a scientifically sound one, yet morally its about as out there as you can get.

Actually, from a biological point of view, it's a TERRIBLE idea. 

On the other hand, if you take the above sarcastic D&D comment as seriously as I think you do, you prolly wouldn't fit in here anyway.

Who cares?  You're stuck with me until I hear from Roger.  He's the only reason I'm here.

And about the I-Ching and entrail divination. LHX a half a year back actually debunked astrology by showing the process by which these "mystics" go about calculating it (unfortunatly lost it when the Discordian Network went down) I personally have written an essay on how totally full of shit intelligent design creationism is, which is layed out in a logical and cohesive manner. As for the SSKOOON stuff, its partially a satire, and partially a mind excercise.l

Sure.  And this is why we are looking, apparently, for the "underlying theory" of divination.  And getting reallty irate about how "modern science", as he put it, is too full of "gee-whiz progressions".

Sorry, man.  I really wish I could get in the cave with you and beat on a hollow log to keep the evil spirits away, but it's just not my bag, ya know?

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« Reply #87 on: February 16, 2007, 02:23:11 am »

Sorry, man.  I really wish I could get in the cave with you and beat on a hollow log to keep the evil spirits away, but it's just not my bag, ya know?

 :lol:

wouldn't you say there's a difference between "beating on a hollow log to keep the evil spirits away" and  using "a collection of arbitrary symbols overlaid upon a theoretical structure & employed for purposes of interpretation with regards to the future or for gaining alternative perspective/insight in connection with a present situation" ?  no madjuickalness required there.

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« Reply #88 on: February 16, 2007, 02:24:49 am »

Sorry, man.  I really wish I could get in the cave with you and beat on a hollow log to keep the evil spirits away, but it's just not my bag, ya know?

 :lol:

wouldn't you say there's a difference between "beating on a hollow log to keep the evil spirits away" and  using "a collection of arbitrary symbols overlaid upon a theoretical structure & employed for purposes of interpretation with regards to the future or for gaining alternative perspective/insight in connection with a present situation" ?  no madjuickalness required there.

No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney.
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« Reply #89 on: February 16, 2007, 02:26:44 am »
No, he was telling you that science doesn't have all the answers. And it doesn't.

Yeah, that's why we have healing crystals.  Right?

Healing crystals....is that more of that MysticWicks shit like "Holding up the astral pillars" that we always joke about?

Seriously, if you used science for morality, it would be NAZI Germany all over again. The idea of Eugenics is a scientifically sound one, yet morally its about as out there as you can get.

Actually, from a biological point of view, it's a TERRIBLE idea.
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I didn't say it was a GOOD idea, I said it was a SOUND idea. By removing those individuals from the population that have certain genetic makeup, you can force evolutionary processes in a certain direction. That is basic premise of the eugenics idea, without all the extra baggage. And, having gone to a couple genetic classes, its pretty damn sound.

Now, if we used what was scientifically sound as a basis for moral decisions, then we would have stuff like eugenics going on.

On the other hand, if you take the above sarcastic D&D comment as seriously as I think you do, you prolly wouldn't fit in here anyway.

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I think hes out in the desert right now.

And about the I-Ching and entrail divination. LHX a half a year back actually debunked astrology by showing the process by which these "mystics" go about calculating it (unfortunatly lost it when the Discordian Network went down) I personally have written an essay on how totally full of shit intelligent design creationism is, which is layed out in a logical and cohesive manner. As for the SSKOOON stuff, its partially a satire, and partially a mind excercise.l

Sure.  And this is why we are looking, apparently, for the "underlying theory" of divination.  And getting reallty irate about how "modern science", as he put it, is too full of "gee-whiz progressions".

Sorry, man.  I really wish I could get in the cave with you and beat on a hollow log to keep the evil spirits away, but it's just not my bag, ya know?

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Wait...stop there. I want quotes, because those are outrageous claims. And if they were true, I would totally bring him to terms with them, because that is opposite of what we have talked about before.


As for evil spirits, I have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

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