Fuck Advertising

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

If you watch it via a recording, you can start and stop it whenever you want, and skip the commercials. Also, despite the sketchiness of research claiming to link tv and radio waves to increases in cancer, I do find it a little dismaying that we have no choice in whether to be bathed in man-made radiation constantly for no purpose other than to give people the worlds next top model.

Wait... you want to eliminate broadcast entertainment because you prefer the non-linearity, and some sketchy research that doesn't apply to broadband cable?

Yes, exactly!

[AFK]

Wait, you just said you weren't looking for an end to TV, which is it?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Wait, you just said you weren't looking for an end to TV, which is it?

The words of the foolish
and the words of the wise
are not far apart
in Discordian eyes.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Wait, you just said you weren't looking for an end to TV, which is it?

I also want to build a three-level basement with hidden staircases below my house, but that doesn't mean this is something I would ever pursue.

If I was World Emperor I would totally have one, though.

[AFK]

Yeah, okay I'm out.  Goodnight Cleveland. 

[Cain]

I watch TV on the internet.  Does that make me a corporate shill or on the cutting edge of the revolution?  I'm undecided personally, and want a second opinion.

[AFK]

I dunno but I bet the cancerous death rays are stronger through the intertubes.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I watch TV on the internet.  Does that make me a corporate shill or on the cutting edge of the revolution?  I'm undecided personally, and want a second opinion.

It makes ye a durned whippersnaper thinkin' that he's to gud to jis' sit down an' wa'ch th' ol' Boob Toob like normal fokes! Why, I can't even seem ta find Johnny Carson or Different Strokes on th' Internets. They ain't got Sanford and Son either.

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Ok, here's what Nigel had to say since the beginning of the thread.

Hm. I'm opposed to corporatism and the mind-control of the masses by giant corporate interests who want us fat and insecure so we'll buy whatever bullshit they're pimping in place of happiness, but as a person who has to sell their shit in order to live, without advertising in its most straightforward form, my children and I would starve.

The corporate advertising machine is bad. Advertising itself is just a tool.

Advertising is not inherently good or evil: it is just a tool.

I do not, by any stretch of the imagination, make anything people "need" except perhaps on some basic magpie level. However, I also don't try to convince them or brainwash them into believing that they "need" beads and marbles. I think that's where the corporate advertising machine crosses the line into evil... when it collaborates with the media of insecurity to brainwash people into believing they "need" things in order to make them happy, rather than merely showing them a product and hoping someone out there wants it.

[snipped: "intelligence is genetic", et al]

If I could do one thing, it would be to make broadcast entertainment impossible. Actually; that's not true. It would be to invent teleportation, and after that it would be to invent a perfect battery. After that, to fly, and to be able to change sex at will. But somewhere after that it would definitely be to make broadcast entertainment impossible.

Where you slipped up is when you shifted from the evils of Advertising to the medium which contains the advertising.

There's nothing wrong with broadcast entertainment, as you watch Spongebob.  It seems you have a problem with the advertising.

Which no one would really argue against.





Either way, it seems you pwned yourself.

Hold up Alphapance, I would argue that a blanket dismissal of corporate advertising is eating the menu.

Calling it "brainwashing" and "mind control" also is a tard move that trivializes people who actually have experienced manipulation that savage.

Passive persuasive media ≠ live coercive behavior.

That equivalence is an idiotic appeal to emotion and ignorance that fails very fucking hard. But who cares what corporations are actually doing in the world, whether that's gouging people for medicine they need, or raping 3rd world natural resources, LETS GET ALL UPPITY ABOUT THEIR FUCKING ADS!



That line of rhetoric moves the frame of discussion from actual behavior that could possibly result in justice, to a shrill tin-foil inspired bitch session about how eeeV0L advertising is like, sooo mean and totally poopy.

Yeah there's some sleazy shit out there, but you can't demonstrate that it's due to the advertiser's pushing it more than the idiots demanding it. That's what marketing is all about—giving people exactly what they want. If people's values changed to something more fulfilling, you'd see that reflected in the advertising targeted at them.

I know it's easier to believe people are poor witless schmucks who get assraped by big throbbing teams of slick marketers glowing with hypnotic auras and attack unicr0ns. But the horrible truth is that people enjoy it when marketers nail them.

Give me one example of corporate advertising that is anywhere near as injurious as the live business practices some engage in. If it's as bad you think you should have no trouble substantiating your claims.

[LMNO]

This entire thread has become a massive toolbox.

[Cain]

Has anyone actually said, or even inferred, that they find slavery, exploitation and various crimes less offensive than advertising?

Or are most people not talking about it because the thread and discussion is about advertising?

[LMNO]

BTW:

I watch TV on the internet.  Does that make me a corporate shill or on the cutting edge of the revolution?  I'm undecided personally, and want a second opinion.

I suppose it depends on which revolution.  If it's one that slavishly depends on technology that cannot be easily manufacured by non-corporate means, well...

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Has anyone actually said, or even inferred, that they find slavery, exploitation and various crimes less offensive than advertising?

Or are most people not talking about it because the thread and discussion is about advertising?

I think a lot of people really strongly believe advertising is brainwashing.

If it is, then comparing advertising to things as brutal as brainwashing would be futile and someone would say they are of the same order of magnitude.

But it's clearly not. It's fraud at worst and art at best.

[LMNO]

Brainwashing isn't always brutal.



Just sayin.

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Brainwashing isn't always brutal.



Just sayin.

Then maybe you could use a term that doesn't wildly exaggerate the nature of what you're talking about.