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Just because your decision had a reason does not remove your responsibility.

Started by Reginald Ret, June 09, 2008, 12:29:43 AM

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The Good Reverend Roger

#45
June 09, 2008, 03:29:10 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:24:48 AM

really? i always feel like punching the people that just stand around watching bad things happen without interfering. they are not equally responsible but they are responsible for not improving the situation.

Wait.  So now even if you DON'T make a decision, you're responsible?

And tell us what YOU did, hero.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Reginald Ret

#46
June 09, 2008, 03:34:34 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 03:23:06 AM
Quote from: Jenne on June 09, 2008, 03:22:17 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 03:21:08 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:16:04 AM
did i SAY the victim was responsible for getting raped? NO! i said she was responsible for actively 'cathing his eye' that is all.

There is no fucking difference.



Word.  Same thing.

And how did she "actively" catch his eye?  I don't get that part.

the actively part was my misconception of what you meant with cacthing his eye and what caused my response of "yes."
I now realize i was being very dense there.
let me explain with another example:
if i walk in a dark and unsafe street and get mugged i am responsible for walking there, let me explain further:
i am responsible for the wear and tear i am inflicting on the street, i am responsible for breating the air there, i am in no way responsible for getting mugged. i could walk there juggling bars of gold(i couldn't for i am not that strong and i do not own any gold but thats beside the point) buttnaked and too drunk to notice the "mug me" note tacked to my back and it still wouldn't be my fault.
same point.

i apologize for the misunderstanding.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

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The Good Reverend Roger

#47
June 09, 2008, 03:37:07 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:34:34 AM

if i walk in a dark and unsafe street and get mugged i am responsible for walking there,

Pfffffffffffffft.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Reginald Ret

#48
June 09, 2008, 03:38:21 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 03:29:10 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:24:48 AM

really? i always feel like punching the people that just stand around watching bad things happen without interfering. they are not equally responsible but they are responsible for not improving the situation.

Wait.  So now even if you DON'T make a decision, you're responsible?

And tell us what YOU did, hero.

there is a difference between not acting and not choosing, you can choose not to act. I'd either slap them for being unable to help or for being able to help but not willing. either way they need a wakeup call.

i once walked away from 3 or 4 guys beating up a tourist, i hope i'll never be that weak again.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

The Good Reverend Roger

#49
June 09, 2008, 03:38:43 AM
Wait.  Now you're saying that being "responsible" for bad things happening is not the same as being "at fault".

Crap.  Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...Sophistry.

:x
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#50
June 09, 2008, 03:39:36 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:38:21 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 03:29:10 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:24:48 AM

really? i always feel like punching the people that just stand around watching bad things happen without interfering. they are not equally responsible but they are responsible for not improving the situation.

Wait.  So now even if you DON'T make a decision, you're responsible?

And tell us what YOU did, hero.

there is a difference between not acting and not choosing, you can choose not to act. I'd either slap them for being unable to help or for being able to help but not willing. either way they need a wakeup call.

i once walked away from 3 or 4 guys beating up a tourist, i hope i'll never be that weak again.

So you demand things of others that you can't or won't do on your own.

This guilt trip of yours explains this thread, anyway.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Reginald Ret

#51
June 09, 2008, 03:49:42 AM Last Edit: June 09, 2008, 03:51:39 AM by Regret
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 03:38:43 AM
Wait.  Now you're saying that being "responsible" for bad things happening is not the same as being "at fault".

Crap.  Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...Semantics.

:x
fixxed.


demand? no, prefer? yes.
I don't have the authority to demand anything.

This guilt trip is one of the reasons why choice, responsiblity and free will interest me, so... yeah its one of the causes of this thread.


The sun is almost rising here so i'm going to get some sleep, thanks for all the responses.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

The Good Reverend Roger

#52
June 09, 2008, 03:50:27 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:49:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 09, 2008, 03:38:43 AM
Wait.  Now you're saying that being "responsible" for bad things happening is not the same as being "at fault".

Crap.  Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse...Semantics.

:x
fixxed.



Same thing, in this case.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Jenne

#53
June 09, 2008, 03:52:44 AM
Duuude.  :lulz:  I must be damned bored to keep typing in this thread.

Regret, you chose fucked up examples to explain something that's patently wrong when applied to those very same examples.

You cannot put blame OR responsibility on someone who survives tragedies.  Period.  E/O/T

rong

#54
June 09, 2008, 04:04:03 AM
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i once walked away from 3 or 4 guys beating up a tourist, i hope i'll never be that weak again.

do you really think they needed your help?

"a real smart feller, he felt smart"

The Good Reverend Roger

#55
June 09, 2008, 04:05:33 AM
Quote from: rong on June 09, 2008, 04:04:03 AM
Quote
i once walked away from 3 or 4 guys beating up a tourist, i hope i'll never be that weak again.

do you really think they needed your help?



:potd:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Chairman Risus

#56
June 09, 2008, 05:48:35 AM
Quote from: rong on June 09, 2008, 04:04:03 AM
Quote
i once walked away from 3 or 4 guys beating up a tourist, i hope i'll never be that weak again.

do you really think they needed your help?



:lulz:

BADGE OF HONOR

#57
June 09, 2008, 05:58:54 AM
This is why I never trust anyone who can't construct and type a grammatical sentence.

QuoteI now realize i was being very dense there.

Yes.
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#58
June 09, 2008, 06:04:34 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 01:21:00 AM
this serious thread was specifically created too prove that i hate you, now go away.



worse, i had an actual discussion....  :cry: i hate it when people still disagree with me when i stop talking. besides i dont have a car.

other example: your best friend has been depressed lately and wants to kill himself.
You decide to tape him to a chair and feed him antidepressants(hmmm chocolate) 'till he gests better.
Result: you mistreated your best friend but you kept him from making a mistake.

My opinion: You should apologize for the ducttape-incident.

PS. this opinion pissed off my niece... she had a suicide intervention thingy a few years ago.

Are you 14? Seriously.

When you go to college, take an ethics course.

Then come back and try to have this insipid discussion.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#59
June 09, 2008, 06:12:02 AM
Quote from: Regret on June 09, 2008, 03:16:04 AM
did i SAY the victim was responsible for getting raped? NO! i said she was responsible for actively 'cathing his eye' that is all.

Oh, yeah, totally, she's TOTALLY responsible for being ALIVE and having a VAGINA. SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT!

Jesus, can you please just go away now? We already HAVE a 221.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

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