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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #90 on: August 26, 2008, 12:41:47 pm »
Nope.


They typically don't understand Gnosis, either.

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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #91 on: August 26, 2008, 12:57:35 pm »
Rinzai Zen is stupidly obvious.

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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #92 on: August 26, 2008, 03:20:20 pm »


People really don't understand Zen (Chan) Buddhism, do they?

Why d'you think they came up with this "Zen for roundeyes" baloney?

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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #93 on: August 26, 2008, 05:56:32 pm »


People really don't understand Zen (Chan) Buddhism, do they?
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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #94 on: August 29, 2008, 12:32:51 pm »
I'm a non practising nihilist :wink:

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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2008, 03:12:30 pm »
People really don't understand Zen (Chan) Buddhism, do they?

Buddhism is all about being a road warrior mowing down smartass smiling fat people, right?
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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #96 on: August 29, 2008, 03:13:04 pm »
Fuck yes!

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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2008, 06:13:42 pm »


People really don't understand Zen (Chan) Buddhism, do they?
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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2008, 11:56:19 pm »
It's hard for me to describe Discordianism because there are different types, in my eyes. There's the pinealists, and then there's this group. I've not actually been around pinealists, but from what I've heard on this board, the two groups are different. This group came up with the BIP, and I don't really see the BIP as being mainstream Discordianism. Which is a shame, because I think that the BIP is more... important, in a way. It challenges you in a way that the PD doesn't.

And I've lost where I was going with all of that... I guess I want a definition not of Discordianism in general, but of the brand of Discordianism "practiced" on this board.
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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #99 on: September 08, 2008, 12:26:31 am »
I don't think the brands of discordianism around here differ much from what RAW created, the spags here are just better at tearing down the idols.  The most useful thing about the BIP is probably that I know the people that made it, which means I can use it as a guide while having a very strong imprint of the fallability of its creators.
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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #100 on: September 08, 2008, 01:51:51 pm »
The PD was, "Let me enlighten you with some funnies"
The BIP was, "Let me enlighten you with a sledgehammer"

Okay, that's probably overstating it.  Honestly, I have zero familiarity with RAW so I can't speak to the similarities of what goes on here and what that cat wrote.  I only read the PD and then found this place.  I'm, personally, WAY more interested in what we can come up with here in an original sense.  I'm sure RAW is useful for some as a reference. 

See, the thing of it is, the "Think For Yourself, Schmuck" theme really isn't a Discordian theme.  Or that is, it shouldn't be.  It seems like it's one of those no brainers that would be so easy to get and to understand, if you just opened your mind to it of course.  I think that is part of the reason why some kind of rail against the pinealist stuff.  It just seems sometimes it can be too much smoke and mirrors that can obscure the ideas. 
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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #101 on: September 08, 2008, 03:13:40 pm »
Well, I actually find it kinda funny that we often find ourselves treading the same ground that RAW and friends have walked previously. Sure they made notes about the Flora and Fauna that they saw in their safari through reality, but we can make new observations of that Flora and Fauna through the lens of 30+ years of More Information.

Also, there's a pretty interesting variation between the Discordianism that displayed in the PD and the Discordianism that's displayed in RAW's writings and antics. The Discordianism of Hill/Thornley of 1959 was definately low on philosophy and high on parody and outright silliness. RAW had a philosophical view which tied nicely with Discordianism and that seems to have become the more popular version among 'pinealists'.

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See, the thing of it is, the "Think For Yourself, Schmuck" theme really isn't a Discordian theme.  Or that is, it shouldn't be.  It seems like it's one of those no brainers that would be so easy to get and to understand, if you just opened your mind to it of course.  I think that is part of the reason why some kind of rail against the pinealist stuff.  It just seems sometimes it can be too much smoke and mirrors that can obscure the ideas.

It's all about context. In the context which that phrase is used, it's quite Discordian, I think. In the meme usage, it seems to have lost some of its punch.

In I3! Hagbard Celine (the crazy guy with the giant yellow submarine) brings George Dorn (the symbolic Cabbage that's about to get a wake up call) on board his secret ship. In mythological terms, the Fool (George) has just gone through his first major trial (imprisoned by rednecks in Texas) and got broken out by a mysterious and very deadly female (other symbolism there). Anyway, he meets Hagbard as part of a traditional "Mentor" story and right after this meeting, while looking at the artwork on Hagbard's submarine, he sees a picture of Moses, coming down from Mount Sinai with the two tablets of the Law. The caption of the artwork claims that God gave Moses only 1 Commandment:  "Think For Yourself, ya Schmuck!"

For Dorn, its a sort of "Red Pill/Blue Pill/Hagbards Special Weed" time. The painting is a symbol in the book and it works beautifully. Unfortunately, its also catchy and makes a halfway decent meme if you're a parroting sort of individual.

In context, its a great memebomb, especially if you come from a Christian background... and haven't questioned things too much (which is where I was at the time). Out of context, it's ok... and it makes a good meme in conversation between Discordians i.e. "Guess they didn't TFY,S!, did they?"

But, as a meme to spread and mindfuck people... its just not that useful without the context.

Now, if someone would actually make a piece of artwork, with Moses and God and that single commandment... that might be a good memebomb.

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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #102 on: November 18, 2008, 09:44:43 pm »
I really really really hate it when people ask me what religion I am.  Mostly because Discordianism is such an obscure religion that not many people know about. But the main problem I have is that it is almost impossible to describe to someone in just a couple of sentences.  It usually takes about 5 minutes of explaining and/or throwing a copy of the PD at their head. 

So here is the challenge I presenting to all of you:  What is the shortest explanation of Discordianism that you can give?  I'm not asking what Discordianism means to you. We've got plenty of other threads about that.  I want a short universal definition that I can spit out and get people off of my back.

Ok, ready?  Go!

I give alternate definitions depending on whether I'm in a straightforward or philosophical/introspective mood.

Straightforward: "It's the religion of acting in ways that make you want to be alive."

Philosophical: "It's finding life funny even when others aren't laughing."
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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #103 on: November 18, 2008, 11:23:42 pm »
Straightforward: "It's the religion of acting in ways that make you want to be alive."

Philosophical: "It's finding life funny even when others aren't laughing."

I like both of these definitions. Especially the philosophical one. If Clipmarks was working, I would clip it. Will save it in a different way.
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Re: Shortest Definition
« Reply #104 on: November 19, 2008, 02:07:09 pm »
Straightforward: "It's the religion of acting in ways that make you want to be alive."

Philosophical: "It's finding life funny even when others aren't laughing."

I like both of these definitions. Especially the philosophical one. If Clipmarks was working, I would clip it. Will save it in a different way.

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