The worst thread

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The beautiful thing about the fact that 99% of internet posters can't afford to litigate if need be, to protect their work, is that you never know when the other 1% will show up angry, armed, and fully prepared to sue your ass into bankruptcy.

It's that unpredictable 1% that makes it scary enough for leeches that the rest of us can post original poems, essays, and fiction with reasonable peace of mind. As I have been doing since 1990.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Considering this is a Discordian board, the only thing to do is treat everyone as individuals.


Nigel, if you wrote something for an Intermittens:

A) Would you want that issue to be sold for a possible profit, and

B) Would you like to receive a portion of that profit as payment?


Repeat as necessary for all involved with that current issue.

It's a respect thing.  Common fucking decency.  ASK, and you can use my shit (for example, you still can), provided it isn't changed, I am credited, and if there's money involved, let me know (I'll PROBABLY send a letter exempting myself from royalties, because there just isn't that much money involved).

But to say "Here's the deal - I will use whatever the hell I goddamn well please for #6 (permission or not) If you aint happy with this guess what - that's right you can go fuck yourself. Or grow the fuck up, one of the two", as a certain hookworm did, pisses me off to the point where I WILL make an issue out of it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The beautiful thing about the fact that 99% of internet posters can't afford to litigate if need be, to protect their work, is that you never know when the other 1% will show up angry, armed, and fully prepared to sue your ass into bankruptcy.

It's that unpredictable 1% that makes it scary enough for leeches that the rest of us can post original poems, essays, and fiction with reasonable peace of mind. As I have been doing since 1990.

This is the correct answer.  Even if I DIDN'T have a huge fucking retainer depreciating away, I'd still make an issue of it.

[LMNO]

SELL OUT!!!

[Cainad (dec.)]

Broken AI, check yuor fucking podcast thread in Or Kill Me. You have a message that's been waiting: http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=20085.0

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[Telarus]

Now that Cainad has made you all *LOOK! WHAT'S OVER THERE!*.....


I have a serious fucking question for you spags. Really real for realness serious. [Which means I'll enjoy it if you want to laugh at me.]

I'd like a simple show of hands, but anything else is your prerogative.

Who would be up for starting an actual non-profit org to publish physical copies of InterMittens? (The lulz here is we would be an actual operating religious non-prophet non-profit. Oh and by 'up for' I mean your name down on the legal paperwork.)

I mainly bring this up because the thought of actually being able to cut people like Cain and Roger(and the rest of you spags) a check for your displaced thoughts makes me go   

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Now that Cainad has made you all *LOOK! WHAT'S OVER THERE!*.....


I have a serious fucking question for you spags. Really real for realness serious. [Which means I'll enjoy it if you want to laugh at me.]

I'd like a simple show of hands, but anything else is your prerogative.

Who would be up for starting an actual non-profit org to publish physical copies of InterMittens? (The lulz here is we would be an actual operating religious non-prophet non-profit. Oh and by 'up for' I mean your name down on the legal paperwork.)

I mainly bring this up because the thought of actually being able to cut people like Cain and Roger(and the rest of you spags) a check for your displaced thoughts makes me go   

I've been gradually working toward this very thing, but so far all I have is a domain name, Lighningsource and Bowker accounts, and business registry. If/when I have more cash I'll be able to buy a block of ISBNs and be ready to start printing as a not-for-profit. My plan was to do everything out of my own pocket, I prefer taking the liability on myself so that if I drop the ball and money is lost, it's only my money.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, and I was going to operate as an NFP, not an NP. The paperwork is easier. And I wasn't going to pay anyone, including myself, but just going to try to defray costs a bit. Basically my idea was to run as a Discordian vanity press that would publish anything I could afford to publish, just to get it out there.

I came up with the idea back when I had lots of disposable income, which I no longer do, so who knows if I'll be able to follow through.

[chaoflux]

Like Dan said upthread, I'm starting a publishing company right about now. (Well my boss is.)

Basically we want to do print on demand for niche folks, so creators dont have to make such risky choices, and we can bring new media out into the world without making big investments on each item. Of course creators will be able to buy in bulk at the cheapass rate, and blah blah blah so many more technical details about this kind of bullshit.

Essentially we also sell stuff online, and split the profits pretty nicely, while accounting for our printing costs and shipping. ECT. ECT.

The meat of the $$$ issue : Even if you are for profit, no one is getting rich off of it. So really, if you split up three cents into fifteen parts, would you even want your cut at that point? :P

The for profit model just makes things cleaner if everyone understands who is doing what, and what the end result is from the get go.

If it was my baby, I would leave Intermittens as is, and collect the best of the best for a biannual print edition, possibly under a different title or spin off title.

Many of these points were probably already made, I am in the habit of not reading entire threads since I'm a jerk.

[chaoflux]

AND for the record we do have ISBNs.

We are going to be a publisher with its own imprint name and all that, but we will also do things 'off brand'.

In yous guyses cases, we would most likely want it on rather than off, but thats more upto you.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I like what you're doing, it seems to be similar to what I had in mind.

The for-profit model is a lot cleaner in terms of paperwork, definitely. If everyone involved understands that a legal for-profit small press is not actually ever likely to see more than an ameliorated loss, then it absolutely works.

[P3nT4gR4m]

On the other hand, P3nT wrote a great rant....

I'm glad someone took it in the spirit it was intended

FTR - I've put a fair bit of work into #6 and then Cain flounces and tells me I'm not allowed to print his shit. Wanna talk about "respect"? Fine, here's the deal - it's a two way street. If you've given me permission to use your stuff and I've already gone to the effort of putting it in, formatting, typesetting and adding gfx and context and then you decide to change your mind just cos you're having a little - toys out pram - moment. Then you just threw my respect away along with your pacifier.

For anyone who is concerned about allowing me to publish let me reiterate - I am not going to sell your work to pay for my next Ferrari.

Clear enough?

[P3nT4gR4m]

This fread is a fucking toolbox. I was all "fair enough" until I had a think about it last night and you know what? GET A FUCKING GRIP ON REALITY!

This is shit we type on the internets. If you think you can make money on something you've written then go make some fucking money on it. Don't post it in a goddamn message board. Here's the deal - I will use whatever the hell I goddamn well please for #6 (permission or not) If you aint happy with this guess what - that's right you can go fuck yourself. Or grow the fuck up, one of the two.

I'm not planning on making money from it, you sure as hell don't seem to be. If someone else manages it then well fucking done that guy. You want to get all butthurt cos you never thought of it then be my guest but FFS we're not talking the great american novel here and if we are then save it on an encrypted hard drive an guard it with your life. Don't broadcast it in cyberspace, don't expect some joke hippy play on the word "copyright" to somehow protect you.

I have an alternate proposal.  You publish anything of mine, for any reason, and you will be buried under a pile of subpeonas so fast your fucking head will spin.  I still have a rather large retainer with Irritable John, my attorney back in Illinois, and that is money already spent...so I will have absolutely no problem with lawyering you into bankruptcy, because it won't cost me a dime.

Posting something on the internet does NOT make it public domain, and even if it did, I'd just use procedural monkey business to drive you broke.  Please note that the server and the board (ie, ECH and Faust) will be left out of any legal wranglings...you and you alone will be the sole target of the hilarity.

If you think I am bluffing, by all means, do something dumb.

Okay, that being said, and having read most of the thread, I see no reason to continue ranting, or to finish the handbook, or post podcasts.  I did it for FUN, not so some fucking tapeworm could make a quick buck off of my writing.  You have made it NOT fun, simply by virtue of your above post.

You want to make a buck on writing?  Write your own shit, you fucking vulture.

Which part of "I'm not planning on making money from it" didn't you understand you fucking imbecile?

I'm in half a mind to use some heavily edited rant of yours in #6 just to illustrate how fucking impotent your "I HAZ ARMY OF LAWYERS" claim actually is.

But I won't. Cos that'd be just as immature as threatening me with the wrath of Petrocelli in the first place. 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

If it was my baby, I would leave Intermittens as is, and collect the best of the best for a biannual print edition, possibly under a different title or spin off title.

Now THAT seems like a reasonable proposal... and it came from Chaoflux!!

[Kai]

You all deserve all the shit you get for this thread.


So much for group projects and not trying to make a buck off other people.