It's mah birfday...

[Pariah]

You know I could go through the 6  pages of DK like five paragraph essays nitpicking what's wrong with the other persons that I missed
OR
I can just ask

[Payne]

You know I could go through the 6  pages of DK like five paragraph essays nitpicking what's wrong with the other persons that I missed
OR
I can just ask

Yes, perhaps so.

I have an educational syndrome which I rapidly feel is misplaced with this bigoted troll in contrite clothing and his tales of victimisation.

[fomenter]

Yes, perhaps so.

I have an educational syndrome which I rapidly feel is misplaced with this bigoted troll in contrite clothing and his tales of victimisation.

[Captain Utopia]

funny thing i drew the line at the point where you asked "where do you draw the line" and read no further 

Hardly surprising considering your demonstrated motivations towards me.

no its hardly surprising since i read 5 pages of your repetitively asking the same stupid question already       

Fair enough. Point taken.

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

Do you have an owl for every occasion?

Damn straight I do! Owl Cabal's got owls and balls mother fucker!

You got a problem with it, bitch?
          \


ALSO:

what

• You said that I did something I didn't do.
• I point out that I didn't compare posting a roadsign picture to posting childporn.
• You don't provide the non-existent quotes, but reiterate your belief anyway instead of retracting it.
• I have nothing to defend against since you're providing no proof.
• The accusation stands, and since I'm a self-admitted douche, it prevails.

I have a lot of respect for you, but this does seem to fit the pattern of an effective drive-by slur, whether you mean to do it or not.

Ehem:

I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.

And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?

You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.

You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.

You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?

ALSO ALSO: Fictionpuss is Uncle BadTouch and Dimo1138 is Daruko.

GAME OVER BITCHES!

[Captain Utopia]

Summary: This is an issue for me. This is one of the rare causes that I'll instinctively frame into you're-either-with-us-or-against-us. I'm not likely to budge, and I don't expect to convince you either.

Do I go on to say that everyone in Scotland is rabid nationalist, ready to rip my head off for no reason what so ever? No, I don't.

Me either. But I will speak up when I see people using the same old stereotypes which keep the fires of intolerance burning.

Nice prose. Essentially meaningless though. I tend to get more pissed off at the education system for not doing more to do some actual educating. The travesty we call Braveheart, for example, has become in some places the accepted history. If I see someone in person acting like a bigot I will call them on it and take their education into my own hands. I seldom have to do this because Scotland is in no way as bad as you are painting it.

If you're one of the people who would tell anti-English jokes in Scotland, and don't see anything damaging about that, then I don't expect you to see Scotland in the way I do.

When they actually do something to uphold that hatred. Like knife an opposing fan, or chanting sectarian slogans. We have laws to cover that btw, and in most cases now the really big penalty these morons receive is from their home clubs who can and will bar them from ever entering the grounds. I'm not going to say that everyone is responsible for the hatred. Everyone does however have a part to play in stopping it, and steps are certainly being taken in that direction.

I don't understand the distinction. If everyone has a part to play in stopping it, and someone doesn't play their part, how are they not partly responsible for the hatred which continues? Seriously, I don't understand that logic.

You can see exactly the same forces at work where ever you are if you just look for them. Some of this shit is deadly fucking serious, and is a fundamental part of what it is to BE Scottish.

Precisely. I only have good experience of how it works in Scotland though. I can't dissect how it works in other places. Is that a good reason to stay quiet?

You have good experience of how it worked FOR YOU in Scotland. Twenty fucking years ago. You're still speaking from ignorance and that ignorance is a good reason to stay quiet (unless you're asking questions instead of making broad statements).

I was living there until quite recently. Yes, my personal experiences gave me a motivation to try to understand what the fuck was happening, and I took my observations over 26 years and noted the ways in which the "good natured rivalry" and banter feed into something more ugly. In what way is this ignorance?

There does seem to be a double standard here though. I mean where do you draw the line between what I describe and:

• Telling racist jokes, but not actually putting the boot in?
• Telling sexist/homophobic jokes?
• Enabling the above by keeping quiet when you witness it?

You're obsessed with drawing fucking lines, aren't you? There is a context to every joke, and a context to every insult. This is not a black and white pre-planned policy friendly area. If I see a bunch of kids harassing a guy for being English, crowding around him and threatening him I will step in. Do I make English jokes? Yes, I do. Am I hypocrite? Possibly, but I don't go out of my way to demean people. And for every English joke I make, I make one about Scotland or wherever else too. The same applies to sexism and homophobia, and everything is dealt with on a case by case basis as it comes.

This seems like a cop-out to me.

No. Yes. Maybe. I understand your point.

Again, it's not an issue to you, so you can step all over my neat lines if you wish.

Hell, the last three years of Discordian meet-ups in Edinburgh we've said we were going to invade England as a Third Jacobite Rebellion to get rid of the "German" monarchy of the Windsors. The joke here being, of course, that the current head of the House of Stewart is in fact German. Even beyond that, we had an Englishman come up for last years one, from Birkenhead. He didn't get punched in the face once, Liverpool accent or no, and was in fact one of the best additions we could've had to our little group.

Once I hit university all of the violence stopped, and all that was left was just the usual pretensions. Once I hit the Scottish software development workforce, which is a lot more mixed, it was virtually gone.

As for keeping quiet, you have to say sometimes for most people it's very hard to wade into a group of violent idiots spouting vitriolic bile. It's not conducive to a long and healthy life. I don't think that people think of looking after themselves as "enabling" hatred. They just don't want to get stabbed or escalate matters.

No - I really was thinking more along the lines of saying "I don't think that anti-English joke is acceptable" during polite conversation, which is generally more difficult than fisticuffs.

Am I completely out of line here? I find it hard to believe that anyone who has ever experienced any kind of prejudice would advocate onlookers to just look the other way and keep your mouth shut. Unless they've already let the fuckers win a long time ago.

I never advocated people looking the other way, and I never advocated keeping your mouth shut. Where the fuck did you get THAT from? Oh, you've already got me painted as an epic asshole who is like the guy that punched you in the face. Except I'm worse cause I'm not really one of them, I just make excuses for them. Something like that? Fuck you.

No one has "won" anything against me, and I certainly haven't "lost" anything.

Er no. I wasn't talking about you. I did literally mean anyone. I did wonder if you'd take it personally later, but I wasn't able to get back to a computer in time to make the edit - sorry.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Note:  Scotland owns the fuck out of England.  England invented "getting killed in stupid ways", and Scotland invented HAGGIS.

Fucking England.  Stop fucking about, and make some real food.

[Jenne]

Note:  Scotland owns the fuck out of England.  England invented "getting killed in stupid ways", and Scotland invented HAGGIS.

Fucking England.  Stop fucking about, and make some real food.

Didja hear about the cookbook in the 17th century from England that had Haggis in it?  The Scots are all up in arms about it, claiming that since it was written during King James I's time, it was clearly the Scot King's recipe. 

/threadjack

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

Maybe I'm wrong.
Fictionpuss could be DK.

[Captain Utopia]

Do you have an owl for every occasion?

Damn straight I do! Owl Cabal's got owls and balls mother fucker!

You got a problem with it, bitch?

Actually no. I thought it was pretty neat. I never thought of owls as being so expressive before. That's all.

Ehem:

I told you, I can't (and won't) control or censor the contributors of my site, so if you want to go on a tirade find the guy who posted that and get emotional with him. Welcome to the internet, things may get offensive. Now that that's done, it is also nice to meet you.

And if a contributor advocates for a change in law with regards abolishing the age of consent while making it clear that they don't respect that law in their personal life?

You can play the "free speech" and "internet" cards if you wish, but if you don't make your personal stand clear than people will assume the worst from whom you choose to associate with.

You're also not going to allow something to be published which is going to get you in trouble with National Security services, because shits'n'giggles isn't worth it, and I can repost something from wikileaks if you want to test that theory.

You have a line that you will draw, so where is that line?

First up - simply bringing the age of consent issue is not the same thing as me "comparing publishing a pic of a vandalized roadsign to publishing CHILD PORN".

Dimo was stating that he would apply no editorial control to his contributions. I thought that was a cop-out, so I picked the first example I could think of where you might want to apply some editorial control.

I was calling out his BS, not saying that his current actions were in any way comparable to actions he hadn't even come close to performing.

So no. Nice try though.

ALSO ALSO: Fictionpuss is Uncle BadTouch and Dimo1138 is Daruko.

GAME OVER BITCHES!

WTF now?

Do you seriously believe that? Cause this is just the sort of thing that I'll chew upon like a dog on a bone until you retract that, or we're all dead but thoroughly pissed off at the pointlessly long fight. Whichever comes first. I'm game because I know I'm right. You really want to hand me an easy chance to be righteously smug after defending against a false accusation?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Maybe I'm wrong.
Fictionpuss could be DK.

I'm kinda thinking not.

I'm thinking Dimo --->  One of Uncle BadTouch's buddies.

I'm thinking Fictionpuss --->  The next same as the last 10.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Do you seriously believe that? Cause this is just the sort of thing that I'll chew upon like a dog on a bone until you retract that, or we're all dead but thoroughly pissed off at the pointlessly long fight. Whichever comes first. I'm game because I know I'm right. You really want to hand me an easy chance to be righteously smug after defending against a false accusation?

You fucking idiot, you're talking to SQUID.  You think she's going to be intimidated by some emo kid with a whiny little attitude?

[Captain Utopia]

Note:  Scotland owns the fuck out of England.  England invented "getting killed in stupid ways", and Scotland invented HAGGIS.

Fucking England.  Stop fucking about, and make some real food.

As near as I can tell England has got its own fucked up assholes and memes. The major reason I settled on Canada is because it has so little* history as to be genuinely charming.

* - relatively speaking, compared to the UK, of course.

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

 

It's o.k. Roger. Obviously his pussy hurts and he needs a Pamprin.

And now I might just argue that he's Uncle BadTouch, just to watch him die in longfight or something

or SOMETHING

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Note:  Scotland owns the fuck out of England.  England invented "getting killed in stupid ways", and Scotland invented HAGGIS.

Fucking England.  Stop fucking about, and make some real food.

As near as I can tell England has got its own fucked up assholes and memes. The major reason I settled on Canada is because it has so little* history as to be genuinely charming.

* - relatively speaking, compared to the UK, of course.

What?

Fuck you.