Student ARRESTED for NOT TIPPING!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'll agree that they should have to pay the large party fee.  But looking at the article, I have to wonder what went on when the restaurant took the rest of the money, then called the cops after they left.  

The obvious solution is to fuck with the restaurant.  Anyone with access to google care to dig up the location/phone #?

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

http://www.yelp.com/biz/lehigh-pub-bethlehem
4 E 4th St
Bethlehem, PA 18015
(610) 868-1313

Got poor reviews even before the incident.

[Fuquad]

As a matter of law, Suu is correct.

Really Roger? Where'd you go to lawschool?

http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/ESA/Title_29/Part_531/29CFR531.52.htm

A tip is a sum presented by a customer as a gift or gratuity in
recognition of some service performed for him. It is to be distinguished
from payment of a charge, if any, made for the service. Whether a tip is
to be given, and its amount, are matters determined solely by the
customer, and generally he has the right to determine who shall be the
recipient of his gratuity.

edit: text added from link for TL;DR purposes

Yes. And when it is printed on the menu that it will be added and how much and they order they decided to tip that much.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

http://www.yelp.com/biz/lehigh-pub-bethlehem
4 E 4th St
Bethlehem, PA 18015
(610) 868-1313

Got poor reviews even before the incident.

All the same, I shall try them.

Or at least make a reservation for 10 people.  You guys should, too.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/ESA/Title_29/Part_531/29CFR531.55.htm

A compulsory charge for service, such as 10 percent of the
amount of the bill, imposed on a customer by an employer's
establishment, is not a tip and, even if distributed by the employer to
his employees, cannot be counted as a tip received in applying the
provisions of section 3(m) and 3(t)

The amounts received from customers are the employer's
property, not his, and do not constitute tip income to the employee.

and commentary on the legal status and the issues with this kind of scheme:

http://divisionoflabour.com/archives/001607.php

dunno if HE has a law degree or not!

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

As a matter of law, Suu is correct.

Really Roger? Where'd you go to lawschool?

http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/ESA/Title_29/Part_531/29CFR531.52.htm

A tip is a sum presented by a customer as a gift or gratuity in
recognition of some service performed for him. It is to be distinguished
from payment of a charge, if any, made for the service. Whether a tip is
to be given, and its amount, are matters determined solely by the
customer, and generally he has the right to determine who shall be the
recipient of his gratuity.

edit: text added from link for TL;DR purposes

Yes. And when it is printed on the menu that it will be added and how much and they order they decided to tip that much.

Hidden in tiny tiny print that you may not have even noticed.

[Fuquad]

As a matter of law, Suu is correct.

Really Roger? Where'd you go to lawschool?

http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/ESA/Title_29/Part_531/29CFR531.52.htm

A tip is a sum presented by a customer as a gift or gratuity in
recognition of some service performed for him. It is to be distinguished
from payment of a charge, if any, made for the service. Whether a tip is
to be given, and its amount, are matters determined solely by the
customer, and generally he has the right to determine who shall be the
recipient of his gratuity.

edit: text added from link for TL;DR purposes

Yes. And when it is printed on the menu that it will be added and how much and they order they decided to tip that much.

Hidden in tiny tiny print that you may not have even noticed.

Oh cool. You have a scan?

[Z³]

It's a service charge. It's mandatory in my restaurant for parties of 6 or more, because large parties, especially college students, will stiff you all the time.

I don't expect you to tip me over the gratuity charge, and when you do it's nice, but for the love of god, please see rant!

Well, then they should be plain and call it a service charge... no gratitude involved

Calling it a gratuity or tip makes people think its based on the service quality of the staff, instead of a "you have no choice, no matter how shitty the waiter was" service charge.

In this case, what you call it is a matter of semantics. I guarantee that any place which has an automatic gratuity will list it, and its terms, on the menu in plain sight. This is a common practice.

That was my point exactly... IF you call it a tip,monkey brains will likely semantically connect to something like "Good Server = Good Tip, Bad Server = Bad Tip".

Which is how it should be, if your server does a shitty job they don't deserve a tip or a "service charge" or whatever the fuck you want to call it. If it's extra money beyond what the food costs, it's a goddamn tip.

We can go back and forth about this forever, ultimately it matters for fuck-all until someone fights it in court and the courts make a decision.

Where I work, if you indeed do a shitty job, and you talk to the management... they will usually compensate you, or knock down the gratuity charge, or eliminate it all together. Depending on circumstances this could result in the loss of the servers job.

... but you know, that sort of thing depends on the location, and there are more than a few restaurants that don't give a shit about the customer. For my money, I'd wager that there are more shitty customers out there who just want to be dicks about it. 

[Kai]

Heh.  More like Psychology PhD, but...  Heh.

We will be requiring proof of degrees for all further arguments on PD.  It's the only way to be fair about these things.

So now I need to provide a copy of my degree in biology to prove that I know the fuck I'm talking about biology?

Slanket, what the fuck sort of logic is this? (and yes, I know I'm quoting roger, but I'm responding to YOU, Fnordie.)



Tip (haha, punny): if you don't have the money to splurge on eating out, then don't go out to eat. There are such things as GROCERY STORES, and OVENS and STOVES. And MICROWAVES, FFS. Americans are spoiled as fuck.

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

Heh.  More like Psychology PhD, but...  Heh.

We will be requiring proof of degrees for all further arguments on PD.  It's the only way to be fair about these things.

Slanket, what the fuck sort of logic is this? (and yes, I know I'm quoting roger, but I'm responding to YOU, Fnordie.)

It's not logic, it's a joke you fucking mong. Jump into a wood chipper.

[Kai]

Just trying to understand what the fuck is going on in this thread and in your head.

Never mind that now. ESAD, fucknut.

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

Just trying to understand what the fuck is going on in this thread and in your head.

Ah, well if you want to understand what's going on in the thread you might want to attempt reading it. Reading comprehension might not be your strong suit but you've got to start somewhere. If this thread is too much for you (it appears to be), you might want to try this:
http://www.magickeys.com/books/noblegnarble/index.html

Good luck and happy reading. It's tough at first but it's a skill that will prove useful in the future.

[Suu]

When I get home, I will give a detailed explanation of how things work in the service industry, until which you can all fuck off.

-Suu
fuck your semantics and raise the blast shields.

[Dysnomia]

holy shit I'd like to know just who pissed in everyone's Wheaties this morning!?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

holy shit I'd like to know just who pissed in everyone's Wheaties this morning!?

Dunno, but I'm not leaving them a tip!