Yet another healthcare topic

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Because slavery happens in degrees. Chattel slavery, complete control over a human being... buying and selling individuals who have no freedom whatsoever is indeed the most egregious form of slavery. However, partial slavery is no less slavery, simply a less all-inclusive form of slavery.

A large part of the issues that built up to the American civil war are predicated on that view.

[Doktor Howl]

Childish, irresponsible resentment of government services is the best path to political freedom!

Remember, kids:  Highways and schools equal slavery!  It's time to return to an agrarian existence at most!

[Doktor Howl]

Because slavery happens in degrees.

Horseshit.  You're free or you aren't.

Can you, or can you not, willingly leave the situation?  If you can but don't, you are opting in.

[East Coast Hustle]

Because slavery happens in degrees.

Congratulations. That might be the single stupidest sentence I've seen on this website, including all of DK's body of work.

but fuck it, words can mean whatever we want them to mean, right?

[Elder Iptuous]

Because slavery happens in degrees.

Horseshit.  You're free or you aren't.

Can you, or can you not, willingly leave the situation?  If you can but don't, you are opting in.

your kidding, right?

so things like Jim Crow laws didn't actually make black people any less free, huh?  They could leave, right?
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!

[Doktor Howl]

Because slavery happens in degrees.

Horseshit.  You're free or you aren't.

Can you, or can you not, willingly leave the situation?  If you can but don't, you are opting in.

your kidding, right?

so things like Jim Crow laws didn't actually make black people any less free, huh?  They could leave, right?
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!

Jim Crow laws also prevented the freedom of movement of blacks.

Learn a little history before you blather, nationalism-boy.

And I never said "love it or leave it", I asked whether you had the ability to opt out (by leaving or other means).

Quit your fucking lying, scumbag.

[East Coast Hustle]

Freedom may or may not happen incrementally.

Slavery, however, has a pretty pat definition, and if another human being/corporate entity does not OUTRIGHT OWN you, then you are not a slave.

[LMNO]

The window washer analogy doesn't work, because there is no founding document that says that the guy will wash your window, and you will pay him money.

Hell, you don't even get an annually elected representative writing legislation regarding the washing of your windows.

The constitution says, "Here's how our government is going to work.  We're gonna provide certain things, and you're gonna pay us part of your wages for them."

That's a contract.  If you want what the Gvt is offering, you have to keep up your side.

[Elder Iptuous]

OK OK....
Uncle, uncle!
I'm just being a dick fer shitsngiggles.  sorry.  
i know taxes are not slavery by the standard definition of ownership (which is what one could rightly expect everyone else to be using), i was just running with it.

I'll quit being a turd now.  

[Cain]

I got mugged last week 

But after he was done, he paved my roads, and then paid for my neighbour's parademic training and vehicle 

[Elder Iptuous]

The constitution says, "Here's how our government is going to work.  We're gonna provide certain things, and you're gonna pay us part of your wages for them."

That's a contract.  If you want what the Gvt is offering, you have to keep up your side.

is contract the word that is used, academically?  because that's interesting to be born as a signatory to a contract....
kind of an original sin sorta thing, huh?

[Doktor Howl]

I got mugged last week 

But after he was done, he paved my roads, and then paid for my neighbour's parademic training and vehicle 

I don't want to pay for roads.  I will, however, still use them every day.

I find that paying for things is unreasonable.  Mahdjgickqual Unicorns should just shit out asphalt wherever I want to go.

AMBIEN!
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[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Freedom may or may not happen incrementally.

Slavery, however, has a pretty pat definition, and if another human being/corporate entity does not OUTRIGHT OWN you, then you are not a slave.

You confuse 'chattel slavery' with slavery. You are describing chattel slavery. However, other forms of partial slavery have existed for centuries. Serfdom, for example was not chattel slavery, but it was partial slavery. Indentured labor, is a form of slavery, but not chattel slavery, in fact debt bondage of any form is considered partial slavery. Sex slavery, even without 'full control' over the individual is considered a form of slavery.

http://www.iabolish.org/slavery_today/primer/types.html  <--- one set of definitions for types of slavery.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates17.html  <---- another discussion of partial slavery

Tolstoy also discussed slavery in stages, with taxation as a form of partial slavery.

Feel free to disagree with the position, but Daruko? Really?

[Elder Iptuous]

I got mugged last week  

But after he was done, he paved my roads, and then paid for my neighbour's parademic training and vehicle  

Oh, oh!
there actually was this dude up in NJ when i was living there that they were calling the Gentleman Bandit.  he would rob people in their houses.  All the victims would comment on how polite he was, and how well he treated them, asking if they were comfortable when he tied them up, and using 'sir' and 'ma'am'.  He would promise to pay them back eventually, and he thanked them for their 'generosity'.
no shit....  he got a decent number, i believe...

ETA: apparently there's been more than one, and this guy must've been a copycat.... hm...

[Doktor Howl]

Freedom may or may not happen incrementally.

Slavery, however, has a pretty pat definition, and if another human being/corporate entity does not OUTRIGHT OWN you, then you are not a slave.

You confuse 'chattel slavery' with slavery. You are describing chattel slavery. However, other forms of partial slavery have existed for centuries. Serfdom, for example was not chattel slavery, but it was partial slavery. Indentured labor, is a form of slavery, but not chattel slavery, in fact debt bondage of any form is considered partial slavery. Sex slavery, even without 'full control' over the individual is considered a form of slavery.

http://www.iabolish.org/slavery_today/primer/types.html  <--- one set of definitions for types of slavery.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates17.html  <---- another discussion of partial slavery

Tolstoy also discussed slavery in stages, with taxation as a form of partial slavery.

Feel free to disagree with the position, but Daruko? Really?

Could serfs or indentured servants legally leave the situation if they so choose?