Yet another healthcare topic

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I got mugged last week 

But after he was done, he paved my roads, and then paid for my neighbour's parademic training and vehicle 

I don't want to pay for roads.  I will, however, still use them every day.

I find that paying for things is unreasonable.  Mahdjgickqual Unicorns should just shit out asphalt wherever I want to go.

AMBIEN!
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I'm sorry, must be the bad coffee... where did I ever say that I don't want to pay for infrastructure and resources? Or have you confused the position I'm taking about the basic construct with my willingness to pay taxes?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Freedom may or may not happen incrementally.

Slavery, however, has a pretty pat definition, and if another human being/corporate entity does not OUTRIGHT OWN you, then you are not a slave.

You confuse 'chattel slavery' with slavery. You are describing chattel slavery. However, other forms of partial slavery have existed for centuries. Serfdom, for example was not chattel slavery, but it was partial slavery. Indentured labor, is a form of slavery, but not chattel slavery, in fact debt bondage of any form is considered partial slavery. Sex slavery, even without 'full control' over the individual is considered a form of slavery.

http://www.iabolish.org/slavery_today/primer/types.html  <--- one set of definitions for types of slavery.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates17.html  <---- another discussion of partial slavery

Tolstoy also discussed slavery in stages, with taxation as a form of partial slavery.

Feel free to disagree with the position, but Daruko? Really?

Could serfs or indentured servants legally leave the situation if they so choose?

Depends on the place and the time. Throughout much of the Middle Ages, serfs could move, but they're moving from being a serf of X to being a serf of Y. In most cases, serfs were not told what they would produce, or what job they would do... the Laandowner would simply demand X share of their earnings, produce, products, goods etc.

Indentured servants generally agree to become indentured servants before the event happens... yet its still considered a form of slavery.

[Doktor Howl]

I got mugged last week 

But after he was done, he paved my roads, and then paid for my neighbour's parademic training and vehicle 

I don't want to pay for roads.  I will, however, still use them every day.

I find that paying for things is unreasonable.  Mahdjgickqual Unicorns should just shit out asphalt wherever I want to go.

AMBIEN!
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I'm sorry, must be the bad coffee... where did I ever say that I don't want to pay for infrastructure and resources? Or have you confused the position I'm taking about the basic construct with my willingness to pay taxes?

BUT YOU'VE BEEN ENSLAVED BY THEIR ROADS AND BRIDGES!

[Elder Iptuous]

Rat, they are using the terminology as commonly understood (esp stateside, i would guess).  I guess if a less understood technical definition is to be used, it should be explained up front.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Rat, they are using the terminology as commonly understood (esp stateside, i would guess).  I guess if a less understood technical definition is to be used, it should be explained up front.

Nah, even if I defined it, exaggeration and hyperbole is how we discuss stuff on PD.com... I expected no less.

Hell, it wouldn't be fun otherwise.

[Doktor Howl]

Depends on the place and the time. Throughout much of the Middle Ages, serfs could move, but they're moving from being a serf of X to being a serf of Y. In most cases, serfs were not told what they would produce, or what job they would do... the Laandowner would simply demand X share of their earnings, produce, products, goods etc.

Indentured servants generally agree to become indentured servants before the event happens... yet its still considered a form of slavery.

1.  I'd like to see some evidence that serfs could do as they pleased, if you don't mind.

2.  If you entered into a contract of your own free will (many didn't), then it isn't slavery, any more than signing up for the military is slavery.

[Doktor Howl]

Nah, even if I defined it, exaggeration and hyperbole is how we discuss stuff on PD.com...

Yeah.  Claiming that taxes = slavery, for example.

[East Coast Hustle]

Freedom may or may not happen incrementally.

Slavery, however, has a pretty pat definition, and if another human being/corporate entity does not OUTRIGHT OWN you, then you are not a slave.

You confuse 'chattel slavery' with slavery. You are describing chattel slavery. However, other forms of partial slavery have existed for centuries. Serfdom, for example was not chattel slavery, but it was partial slavery. Indentured labor, is a form of slavery, but not chattel slavery, in fact debt bondage of any form is considered partial slavery. Sex slavery, even without 'full control' over the individual is considered a form of slavery.

http://www.iabolish.org/slavery_today/primer/types.html  <--- one set of definitions for types of slavery.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates17.html  <---- another discussion of partial slavery

Tolstoy also discussed slavery in stages, with taxation as a form of partial slavery.

Feel free to disagree with the position, but Daruko? Really?

funny, neither of those links goes to a dictionary.

Slave (noun) - A person who is the property of another person and whose labor and also whose life often is subject to the owner's volition.

[Doktor Howl]

Freedom may or may not happen incrementally.

Slavery, however, has a pretty pat definition, and if another human being/corporate entity does not OUTRIGHT OWN you, then you are not a slave.

You confuse 'chattel slavery' with slavery. You are describing chattel slavery. However, other forms of partial slavery have existed for centuries. Serfdom, for example was not chattel slavery, but it was partial slavery. Indentured labor, is a form of slavery, but not chattel slavery, in fact debt bondage of any form is considered partial slavery. Sex slavery, even without 'full control' over the individual is considered a form of slavery.

http://www.iabolish.org/slavery_today/primer/types.html  <--- one set of definitions for types of slavery.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/yates/yates17.html  <---- another discussion of partial slavery

Tolstoy also discussed slavery in stages, with taxation as a form of partial slavery.

Feel free to disagree with the position, but Daruko? Really?

funny, neither of those links goes to a dictionary.

Slave (noun) - A person who is the property of another person and whose labor and also whose life often is subject to the owner's volition.

Teabagger sites > Dictionary.  Just saying.

Dok,
Four square for making words mean anything I like.

[LMNO]

Four square for making words mean anything I like.

Well, isn't that just squiggly teacup of you.

[Doktor Howl]

Four square for making words mean anything I like.

Well, isn't that just squiggly teacup of you.

Your stop sign is tantamount to slavery, sir.  Get your appendage out of my octopus.

Happy Noodle Dok,
Up in your printer table.

[Cain]

lol, Lew Rockwell.

[Doktor Howl]

lol, Lew Rockwell.

Ron Paul doesn't seem to know much about his own newsletters. The libertarian-leaning presidential candidate says he was unaware, in the late 1980s and early 1990s, of the bigoted rhetoric about African Americans and gays that was appearing under his name. He told CNN last week that he still has "no idea" who might have written inflammatory comments such as "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks"—statements he now repudiates. Yet in interviews with reason, a half-dozen longtime libertarian activists—including some still close to Paul—all named the same man as Paul's chief ghostwriter: Ludwig von Mises Institute founder Llewellyn Rockwell, Jr.

BRILLIANT!   

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Huh, I had no idea that Tolstoy and Spooner were teabaggers! Damn secret Teabagger Cabal!!!!

[Doktor Howl]

Huh, I had no idea that Tolstoy and Spooner were teabaggers! Damn secret Teabagger Cabal!!!!

Talking about Lew "sheets" Rockwell, actually.