Science shows that hippies are morons

[East Coast Hustle]

they couldn't come up with a more appetizing-sounding name for it than "bovine colostrum"?

[MMIX]

MMR may be linked to autism paper no matter how alarmist and badly researched it was.

Righteo.  Keep on believin'.

WTF!!! My bad, I changed the punctuation to make my meaning clearer. My original observation stands, however; check the data. If you go round making easily disprovable claims [ e.g. kids died because of the MMR scandal] in some way you are walking in lockstep with the prats who believed that kids became autistic because of the MMR vaccine.

I had my facts screwed up...there were 2 deaths in the USA, and the one in the UK was due to indigence, not the MMR screamers.

However, there WAS a spike in cases, as seen here:  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/134968.php

I'll settle for the bastard getting hit with an attempted murder charge on each additional incident.

Or a class action on behalf of kids with damaged sight, or hearing etc, which can be causally linked to the Wakefield case. However, the MMR vaccine has a longer history of causing concern. My kids were not MMR'd back in the late 70's early 80's because of a family history of epilepsy, and we ended up with   . . . . . . . . . . .
a homeopathic alternative - yes I did say homeopathic, no it didn't work. We ended up with the kids all getting mumps AND measles AND rubella.
My late father in law nearly died because of the MMR during an epidemic when his 5 kids were little. They all got MMR's and the doctors said his developing Mumps was a result of being exposed to his kids!!! It developed into Mumps encephalitis and nearly died . . . kind of ironic

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

MMR may be linked to autism paper no matter how alarmist and badly researched it was.

Righteo.  Keep on believin'.

WTF!!! My bad, I changed the punctuation to make my meaning clearer. My original observation stands, however; check the data. If you go round making easily disprovable claims [ e.g. kids died because of the MMR scandal] in some way you are walking in lockstep with the prats who believed that kids became autistic because of the MMR vaccine.

I had my facts screwed up...there were 2 deaths in the USA, and the one in the UK was due to indigence, not the MMR screamers.

However, there WAS a spike in cases, as seen here:  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/134968.php

I'll settle for the bastard getting hit with an attempted murder charge on each additional incident.

Or a class action on behalf of kids with damaged sight, or hearing etc, which can be causally linked to the Wakefield case. However, the MMR vaccine has a longer history of causing concern. My kids were not MMR'd back in the late 70's early 80's because of a family history of epilepsy, and we ended up with   . . . . . . . . . . .
a homeopathic alternative - yes I did say homeopathic, no it didn't work. We ended up with the kids all getting mumps AND measles AND rubella.
My late father in law nearly died because of the MMR during an epidemic when his 5 kids were little. They all got MMR's and the doctors said his developing Mumps was a result of being exposed to his kids!!! It developed into Mumps encephalitis and nearly died . . . kind of ironic

That's why its called the 'practice' of medicine...

[Doktor Howl]

MMR may be linked to autism paper no matter how alarmist and badly researched it was.

Righteo.  Keep on believin'.

WTF!!! My bad, I changed the punctuation to make my meaning clearer. My original observation stands, however; check the data. If you go round making easily disprovable claims [ e.g. kids died because of the MMR scandal] in some way you are walking in lockstep with the prats who believed that kids became autistic because of the MMR vaccine.

I had my facts screwed up...there were 2 deaths in the USA, and the one in the UK was due to indigence, not the MMR screamers.

However, there WAS a spike in cases, as seen here:  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/134968.php

I'll settle for the bastard getting hit with an attempted murder charge on each additional incident.

Or a class action on behalf of kids with damaged sight, or hearing etc, which can be causally linked to the Wakefield case. However, the MMR vaccine has a longer history of causing concern. My kids were not MMR'd back in the late 70's early 80's because of a family history of epilepsy, and we ended up with   . . . . . . . . . . .
a homeopathic alternative - yes I did say homeopathic, no it didn't work. We ended up with the kids all getting mumps AND measles AND rubella.
My late father in law nearly died because of the MMR during an epidemic when his 5 kids were little. They all got MMR's and the doctors said his developing Mumps was a result of being exposed to his kids!!! It developed into Mumps encephalitis and nearly died . . . kind of ironic

That's why its called the 'practice' of medicine...

According to MMIX's post, the medicine part wasn't the problem.  The "homeopathic" part was.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

MMR may be linked to autism paper no matter how alarmist and badly researched it was.

Righteo.  Keep on believin'.

WTF!!! My bad, I changed the punctuation to make my meaning clearer. My original observation stands, however; check the data. If you go round making easily disprovable claims [ e.g. kids died because of the MMR scandal] in some way you are walking in lockstep with the prats who believed that kids became autistic because of the MMR vaccine.

I had my facts screwed up...there were 2 deaths in the USA, and the one in the UK was due to indigence, not the MMR screamers.

However, there WAS a spike in cases, as seen here:  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/134968.php

I'll settle for the bastard getting hit with an attempted murder charge on each additional incident.

Or a class action on behalf of kids with damaged sight, or hearing etc, which can be causally linked to the Wakefield case. However, the MMR vaccine has a longer history of causing concern. My kids were not MMR'd back in the late 70's early 80's because of a family history of epilepsy, and we ended up with   . . . . . . . . . . .
a homeopathic alternative - yes I did say homeopathic, no it didn't work. We ended up with the kids all getting mumps AND measles AND rubella.
My late father in law nearly died because of the MMR during an epidemic when his 5 kids were little. They all got MMR's and the doctors said his developing Mumps was a result of being exposed to his kids!!! It developed into Mumps encephalitis and nearly died . . . kind of ironic

That's why its called the 'practice' of medicine...

According to MMIX's post, the medicine part wasn't the problem.  The "homeopathic" part was.

I must have misread that, I thought MMIX said that the Father in Law got sick from kids that had been given the MMR shot.

[Doktor Howl]

MMR may be linked to autism paper no matter how alarmist and badly researched it was.

Righteo.  Keep on believin'.

WTF!!! My bad, I changed the punctuation to make my meaning clearer. My original observation stands, however; check the data. If you go round making easily disprovable claims [ e.g. kids died because of the MMR scandal] in some way you are walking in lockstep with the prats who believed that kids became autistic because of the MMR vaccine.

I had my facts screwed up...there were 2 deaths in the USA, and the one in the UK was due to indigence, not the MMR screamers.

However, there WAS a spike in cases, as seen here:  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/134968.php

I'll settle for the bastard getting hit with an attempted murder charge on each additional incident.

Or a class action on behalf of kids with damaged sight, or hearing etc, which can be causally linked to the Wakefield case. However, the MMR vaccine has a longer history of causing concern. My kids were not MMR'd back in the late 70's early 80's because of a family history of epilepsy, and we ended up with   . . . . . . . . . . .
a homeopathic alternative - yes I did say homeopathic, no it didn't work. We ended up with the kids all getting mumps AND measles AND rubella.
My late father in law nearly died because of the MMR during an epidemic when his 5 kids were little. They all got MMR's and the doctors said his developing Mumps was a result of being exposed to his kids!!! It developed into Mumps encephalitis and nearly died . . . kind of ironic

That's why its called the 'practice' of medicine...

According to MMIX's post, the medicine part wasn't the problem.  The "homeopathic" part was.

I must have misread that, I thought MMIX said that the Father in Law got sick from kids that had been given the MMR shot.

No, I misread it.

But I think the docs were full of shit on that one.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

My best friend gets asked to go back on the prozac. Best friend refuses. Best friend goes to see homeopathist. 2 days later I tell her that she might as well just meditate in the corner with a bunch of pet rocks, cos all you are getting is placebo effect. I advise friend with long term depression issue that she might as well go to a Herbalist, a proper recognised qualified practitioner, citing salycilic acid and St Johns Wort as examples that have been used and that have more effect than the fancy diluted water that you get from Homeopathy. I myself have decided that if I have sleep issues after my meds are weaned out that I will be grabbing the valerian if I am having issues with my sleep. said friend also persists in all the hippy food myth bullshit.

[Doktor Howl]

My best friend gets asked to go back on the prozac. Best friend refuses. Best friend goes to see homeopathist. 2 days later I tell her that she might as well just meditate in the corner with a bunch of pet rocks, cos all you are getting is placebo effect. I advise friend with long term depression issue that she might as well go to a Herbalist, a proper recognised qualified practitioner, citing salycilic acid and St Johns Wort as examples that have been used and that have more effect than the fancy diluted water that you get from Homeopathy. I myself have decided that if I have sleep issues after my meds are weaned out that I will be grabbing the valerian if I am having issues with my sleep. said friend also persists in all the hippy food myth bullshit.

[MMIX]

Medical practice = eventually you get it right and you don't have to "bury you mistakes" /cynic.


My kids got Measles Mumps and Rubella because they were unable to have MMR and my father-in-law almost died because his childrens did have the MMR. And they were the only possible source of his infection because he had been laid up at home with a bad back and had not been in contact with anyone else. And the kids had been told to stay away from him because of the statistically very unlikely chance that they would infect him.


And on that point "statistics" are all very well but I cannot imagine anything more poignant than the grief of parents whose children have been damaged or even killed by their actions or inactions. A death rate of 0.0001% is actually 100% of everything if you are the one who dies. Huge amounts of supposedly "reputable information" are thrown at modern parents who then have to make value judgements on them. Since many people have trouble choosing which film to see or what colour tie to wear to the office it is hardly surprising that some people make bad decisions.

Yes it sounds idealistic, but I have few illusions about the medical profession, having worked in the NHS, and having doctors and nurses in the family. They do make mistakes, they do bury their mistakes, today's wonderdrug can easily turn into tomorrows thalidomide. Its like everything else, If you are looking for easy answers you are wasting your time and my oxygen . . .

[the last yatto]

...the anti-vaccers. They still choose to believe, even though the link between vaccination and autism has been disproved so hard Jenny McCarthy's head is still spinning from the bitch slap...

just  wait until they switch from  mercury based injections to gold based air compressor

[the last yatto]

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Imagine getting a flu vaccine without being injected with a needle and without experiencing pain. PowderMed, a biotech firm in Oxford, England, is making this happen. The firm will soon begin Phase 2 clinical trials of a DNA-based vaccine that can be administered by DNA-coated gold particles propelled into the skin via high-pressure helium. The system is known as Particle Mediated Epidermal Delivery.

What? That sounds painful!

[BADGE OF HONOR]

Medical practice = eventually you get it right and you don't have to "bury you mistakes" /cynic.


My kids got Measles Mumps and Rubella because they were unable to have MMR and my father-in-law almost died because his childrens did have the MMR. And they were the only possible source of his infection because he had been laid up at home with a bad back and had not been in contact with anyone else. And the kids had been told to stay away from him because of the statistically very unlikely chance that they would infect him.


And on that point "statistics" are all very well but I cannot imagine anything more poignant than the grief of parents whose children have been damaged or even killed by their actions or inactions. A death rate of 0.0001% is actually 100% of everything if you are the one who dies. Huge amounts of supposedly "reputable information" are thrown at modern parents who then have to make value judgements on them. Since many people have trouble choosing which film to see or what colour tie to wear to the office it is hardly surprising that some people make bad decisions.

Yes it sounds idealistic, but I have few illusions about the medical profession, having worked in the NHS, and having doctors and nurses in the family. They do make mistakes, they do bury their mistakes, today's wonderdrug can easily turn into tomorrows thalidomide. Its like everything else, If you are looking for easy answers you are wasting your time and my oxygen . . .

Can you rephrase this in comprehensible english?  Cause in your first paragraph alone it looks like you're saying at least two directly contradictory things in one sentence.

[the last yatto]

the report on, i think it was, bbc world news showing an example...
since the skin isnt actually broken, the air presses pass it... no pain

also since they dont break the skin,
they dont have to wory about
giving everyone AIDs from mass injections

[MMIX]

Can you rephrase this in comprehensible english?  Cause in your first paragraph alone it looks like you're saying at least two directly contradictory things in one sentence.

I'll try

[ref Rat's cynical joke] Medical practice = [if you practice enough] eventually you get it right and you won't have to "bury you mistakes" /cynic.


My kids got Measles Mumps and Rubella because they were unable to have MMR. [the fact that the homeopathic alternative did not work is just an aside has no real bearing on the fact that they got these diseases because they were exposed to them and they could not have the MMR because of their medical histories]

My father-in-law almost died because his children were vaccinated against MMR. And they were the only possible source of his infection because he had been laid up at home with a bad back and had not been in contact with anyone else. And the kids had been told to stay away from him because of the statistically very unlikely chance that they would infect him but didn't take the warning seriously enough.


And on that point "statistics" are all very well but I cannot imagine anything more poignant than the grief of parents whose children have been damaged or even killed by their actions or inactions. A death rate of 0.0001% is actually 100% of everything if you are the one who dies. Huge amounts of supposedly "reputable information" are thrown at modern parents who then have to make value judgements on them. Since many people have trouble choosing which film to see or what colour tie to wear to the office it is hardly surprising that some people make bad medical decisions.

Yes it sounds idealistic, but I have few illusions about the medical profession, having worked in the NHS, and having doctors and nurses in my family. They do make mistakes, they do bury their mistakes; today's wonderdrug can easily turn into tomorrows thalidomide. Its like everything else, if you are looking for easy answers you are wasting your time and my oxygen . . .

better???