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Several times a month, I will be in a store aisle reaching for something and feel a hand going up the inside of my thigh. When I turn around to find myself alone with a woman, and ask her if she would prefer me to hold still so she can get a better feel for the situation, oftentimes she will act "shocked" claiming nothing had happened, it must be somebody else...

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Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, June 03, 2010, 03:44:36 AM

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Triple Zero

Huh I'm not entirely sure what you're saying?
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noir

It seems to me the only major difference between male and female sexual dysfunction is that stigma which is imposed by society. Society teaches us that a man that can't 'fuck bitches' is less of a man. Whereas a woman who is unable to get aroused is generally understood as an unfortunate but societally acceptable thing.

Conclusion: Modern western sexuality (at least from my own male perspective) is based almost entirely on ego. And where as it seems to me the female ego boost is derived from their partners desire to have sex with them, the male ego boost is derived much more from the act, the 'achievement'.

Adios

Quote from: Ratatosk on June 04, 2010, 05:00:41 PM
The more research that is done on difference between sexes, the more it appears that our experiences are very different.

1. Some research indicates that men are far less spatially challenged than women. Due, not to stereotypes, but actual brain chemistry. The current theory is that men out hunting needed to find their way back home and passed on the good directional genes to their sons. One study of four year old's noted a 4:1 difference between boys that could process 3 dimensions to girls.

2. Some research indicates that women use more of their brain for smells and communication (by a large percent).

3. Some research indicates that the physical makeup of the male body has up to 10% more water than females.

4. Apparently women see colors better than men, since being able to process red is defined by the X chromosome.  

(saw it on cracked.com so it must be true!)

In the end, I think science will eventually find that males and females are VERY different... not one better or worse... just very different.  Trying to equate physical or psychological issues between the sexes seems like an exercise in futility to me. Hell, trying to equate one man's ED with another man's ED is probably not gonna work, because so much of what we 'feel' depends on our early childhood imprints. I agree with the post that siad this would make good flame fodder, but not much beyond that. In fact, I think its horrific that people with dysfunctions of any kind feel that they have to compare their problems with other people's to somehow legitimize their issues.

We have so many possible problems in our lives, either physical, psychological or environmental... trying to compete seems absurd to me.


Or the differences could simply learned. Sounds like some pretty flawed studies to me. If a woman is taught to hunt I am sure that somewhere she could find the intelligence to find her way home again.

Women can see red better than men?   :cn:

Kai

Quote from: Triple Zero on June 04, 2010, 05:30:17 PM
Huh I'm not entirely sure what you're saying?

The penis and vagina look very different (god that sounds so stupid to say), but the need for arousal to have a good time is the same.

Someone who can't "get it up" is as sad as someone who can't "get wet". The only reason anyone thinks differently is they a) aren't a very attentive lover b) don't have any experience or c) learned stupid things about sex, like that it's about making men happy, or that women are always ready because "the hole" is always present.

The former two just require more experience and active learning. The latter person needs to confine themself to masturbation till they get better. Or die. Whichever happens first.
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Triple Zero

Quote from: Kai on June 04, 2010, 05:50:02 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on June 04, 2010, 05:30:17 PM
Huh I'm not entirely sure what you're saying?

The penis and vagina look very different (god that sounds so stupid to say)

:lulz:




(okay, I get you now.)
Ex-Soviet Bloc Sexual Attack Swede of Tomorrow™
e-prime disclaimer: let it seem fairly unclear I understand the apparent subjectivity of the above statements. maybe.

INFORMATION SO POWERFUL, YOU ACTUALLY NEED LESS.

Vene

Quote from: Ratatosk on June 04, 2010, 05:00:41 PM
The more research that is done on difference between sexes, the more it appears that our experiences are very different.

1. Some research indicates that men are far less spatially challenged than women. Due, not to stereotypes, but actual brain chemistry. The current theory is that men out hunting needed to find their way back home and passed on the good directional genes to their sons. One study of four year old's noted a 4:1 difference between boys that could process 3 dimensions to girls.

2. Some research indicates that women use more of their brain for smells and communication (by a large percent).

3. Some research indicates that the physical makeup of the male body has up to 10% more water than females.

4. Apparently women see colors better than men, since being able to process red is defined by the X chromosome.  

(saw it on cracked.com so it must be true!)
Sounds a lot like evo-psych nonsense.

Oh, and women being able to see red better because it's on the X chromosome, that just strikes me as incredibly stupid. Only one X chromosome is even active per cell, males have the one and females inactivate one by storing it as a barr body.

BadBeast

Lets say, for instance your garden needs digging. If you really don't feel up to it, and can't rustle up the enthusiasm for it, your mind just puts it off, until tomorrow, or the next day. We don't say "I'm suffering from a "Gardening Dysfunction" or worry unduly about the garden not getting dug, to the extent that it becomes an all consuming issue.

Otherwise, when we did get off our arses, and go into the garden, all tooled up and ready to dig, we might start thinking "Oh no, what if I am unable to dig? what if I'm never going to be able to dig again?" do we develop "Digging related Performance anxiety", run back in the house, and look up the symptoms on the net?  No, we just get digging. And the garden gets dug, with no surveys, or meds, or conditions, and it's not an issue. Same with sex.

People read too much into their ability to perform. (Whatever the fuck that really is about) Your neighbour has taken more time and effort into digging his garden, and it shows. His soil is finely dug, with no lumps, or stones. Do you decide to give up gardening, and Tarmac the fucking thing over, because you can't bear to see his lovely dug spud patch, and compare it to your pathetic effort at digging? No, you don't even pay it that much attention. Next time you pick up your spade, you might make a more concerted effort at digging it over better, you might not.

Either way, it's only a potato patch. We overcomplicate everything around us. We look for problems that aren't necessarily there, and if we look hard enough, we will find some, or invent some, or not bother doing anything at all, because, well, something is bound to come along to fuck everything up.

It's a good job that we have an instinctual sex drive, or the Human race would have died out before we even got out of the trees. In fact we would have stayed in the trees, because if we got down, on the ground something would be bound to come along and eat us.

It's only a matter of letting instinct take over for just a few minutes, then when everything starts responding, all that anxiety just melts away like morning mist.
And if it doesn't?  Maybe you're just not attracted to the person you are trying to make the beast with?
How many people even give that any consideration? No, there's no room for that kind of speculation, I'm trying to perform here!  Ferfuxake!  Chillout, people, that's all it takes sometimes. There is even truth in the old idiom, "Lie back and think of England" Or any other fucking thing at all. Then, (presuming the other person has any smattering of experience) they should get you bump started. Then it's all plain sailing.
Either that, or I'm so totally wrong, in which case, we'll all be extinct in 100 years, from "Performance Anxiety"
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

Adios

Quote from: BadBeast on June 04, 2010, 06:24:15 PM
Lets say, for instance your garden needs digging. If you really don't feel up to it, and can't rustle up the enthusiasm for it, your mind just puts it off, until tomorrow, or the next day. We don't say "I'm suffering from a "Gardening Dysfunction" or worry unduly about the garden not getting dug, to the extent that it becomes an all consuming issue.

Otherwise, when we did get off our arses, and go into the garden, all tooled up and ready to dig, we might start thinking "Oh no, what if I am unable to dig? what if I'm never going to be able to dig again?" do we develop "Digging related Performance anxiety", run back in the house, and look up the symptoms on the net?  No, we just get digging. And the garden gets dug, with no surveys, or meds, or conditions, and it's not an issue. Same with sex.

People read too much into their ability to perform. (Whatever the fuck that really is about) Your neighbour has taken more time and effort into digging his garden, and it shows. His soil is finely dug, with no lumps, or stones. Do you decide to give up gardening, and Tarmac the fucking thing over, because you can't bear to see his lovely dug spud patch, and compare it to your pathetic effort at digging? No, you don't even pay it that much attention. Next time you pick up your spade, you might make a more concerted effort at digging it over better, you might not.

Either way, it's only a potato patch. We overcomplicate everything around us. We look for problems that aren't necessarily there, and if we look hard enough, we will find some, or invent some, or not bother doing anything at all, because, well, something is bound to come along to fuck everything up.

It's a good job that we have an instinctual sex drive, or the Human race would have died out before we even got out of the trees. In fact we would have stayed in the trees, because if we got down, on the ground something would be bound to come along and eat us.

It's only a matter of letting instinct take over for just a few minutes, then when everything starts responding, all that anxiety just melts away like morning mist.
And if it doesn't?  Maybe you're just not attracted to the person you are trying to make the beast with?
How many people even give that any consideration? No, there's no room for that kind of speculation, I'm trying to perform here!  Ferfuxake!  Chillout, people, that's all it takes sometimes. There is even truth in the old idiom, "Lie back and think of England" Or any other fucking thing at all. Then, (presuming the other person has any smattering of experience) they should get you bump started. Then it's all plain sailing.
Either that, or I'm so totally wrong, in which case, we'll all be extinct in 100 years, from "Performance Anxiety"

Swing and a miss there BB. My limpdick is caused by disease, age and medication. Mrs. Hawks was caused by a full hysterectomy.

Kai

Quote from: BadBeast on June 04, 2010, 06:24:15 PM
Lets say, for instance your garden needs digging. If you really don't feel up to it, and can't rustle up the enthusiasm for it, your mind just puts it off, until tomorrow, or the next day. We don't say "I'm suffering from a "Gardening Dysfunction" or worry unduly about the garden not getting dug, to the extent that it becomes an all consuming issue.

Otherwise, when we did get off our arses, and go into the garden, all tooled up and ready to dig, we might start thinking "Oh no, what if I am unable to dig? what if I'm never going to be able to dig again?" do we develop "Digging related Performance anxiety", run back in the house, and look up the symptoms on the net?  No, we just get digging. And the garden gets dug, with no surveys, or meds, or conditions, and it's not an issue. Same with sex.

People read too much into their ability to perform. (Whatever the fuck that really is about) Your neighbour has taken more time and effort into digging his garden, and it shows. His soil is finely dug, with no lumps, or stones. Do you decide to give up gardening, and Tarmac the fucking thing over, because you can't bear to see his lovely dug spud patch, and compare it to your pathetic effort at digging? No, you don't even pay it that much attention. Next time you pick up your spade, you might make a more concerted effort at digging it over better, you might not.

Either way, it's only a potato patch. We overcomplicate everything around us. We look for problems that aren't necessarily there, and if we look hard enough, we will find some, or invent some, or not bother doing anything at all, because, well, something is bound to come along to fuck everything up.

It's a good job that we have an instinctual sex drive, or the Human race would have died out before we even got out of the trees. In fact we would have stayed in the trees, because if we got down, on the ground something would be bound to come along and eat us.

It's only a matter of letting instinct take over for just a few minutes, then when everything starts responding, all that anxiety just melts away like morning mist.
And if it doesn't?  Maybe you're just not attracted to the person you are trying to make the beast with?
How many people even give that any consideration? No, there's no room for that kind of speculation, I'm trying to perform here!  Ferfuxake!  Chillout, people, that's all it takes sometimes. There is even truth in the old idiom, "Lie back and think of England" Or any other fucking thing at all. Then, (presuming the other person has any smattering of experience) they should get you bump started. Then it's all plain sailing.
Either that, or I'm so totally wrong, in which case, we'll all be extinct in 100 years, from "Performance Anxiety"

That's all well and good, except in the 99% of cases of sexual dysfunction due to biological malfunction.
If there is magic on this planet, it is contained in water. --Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey

Her Royal Majesty's Chief of Insect Genitalia Dissection
Grand Visser of the Six Legged Class
Chanticleer of the Holometabola Clade Church, Diptera Parish

BadBeast

"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

LMNO

Quote from: noir on June 04, 2010, 05:43:31 PM
It seems to me the only major difference between male and female sexual dysfunction is that stigma which is imposed by society. Society teaches us that a man that can't 'fuck bitches' is less of a man. Whereas a woman who is unable to get aroused is generally understood as an unfortunate but societally acceptable thing.

Conclusion: Modern western sexuality (at least from my own male perspective) is based almost entirely on ego. And where as it seems to me the female ego boost is derived from their partners desire to have sex with them, the male ego boost is derived much more from the act, the 'achievement'.


Only 14 posts in, and noir wins an internets.

BadBeast

Sheeit, Them's tough breaks Hawk! Now I feel a little bit stupid, and a little bit sad. So before I go and dig my Old Man's garden, (that's where the analogy sprang from) I'm going to risk another assumption, that you both had plenty of fun before it got to this stage.

"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

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Quote from: Hawk on June 04, 2010, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 04, 2010, 05:00:41 PM
The more research that is done on difference between sexes, the more it appears that our experiences are very different.

1. Some research indicates that men are far less spatially challenged than women. Due, not to stereotypes, but actual brain chemistry. The current theory is that men out hunting needed to find their way back home and passed on the good directional genes to their sons. One study of four year old's noted a 4:1 difference between boys that could process 3 dimensions to girls.

2. Some research indicates that women use more of their brain for smells and communication (by a large percent).

3. Some research indicates that the physical makeup of the male body has up to 10% more water than females.

4. Apparently women see colors better than men, since being able to process red is defined by the X chromosome. 

(saw it on cracked.com so it must be true!)

In the end, I think science will eventually find that males and females are VERY different... not one better or worse... just very different.  Trying to equate physical or psychological issues between the sexes seems like an exercise in futility to me. Hell, trying to equate one man's ED with another man's ED is probably not gonna work, because so much of what we 'feel' depends on our early childhood imprints. I agree with the post that siad this would make good flame fodder, but not much beyond that. In fact, I think its horrific that people with dysfunctions of any kind feel that they have to compare their problems with other people's to somehow legitimize their issues.

We have so many possible problems in our lives, either physical, psychological or environmental... trying to compete seems absurd to me.


Or the differences could simply learned. Sounds like some pretty flawed studies to me. If a woman is taught to hunt I am sure that somewhere she could find the intelligence to find her way home again.

Women can see red better than men?   :cn:

It's pretty well established that color blindness effects a significantly higher percentage of the male population than female. Source

Learned or not, there are significant differences between the straight male brain and the straight female brain. I can dig up sources on this as well.

That this leads to different experiences and ways to cope with it seems obvious. It doesn't mean that it's worse for one sex, but that the specific way it manifests varies for people and these differences shouldn't be glossed over in the name of political correctness about equality among the sexes.

I think there are a commonalities in people's experience in that it sucks, but I don't understand why people feel the need to ignore the differences.

Even if those differences come down cultural norms, as noir argues, why does that invalidate contrasting experiences?
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Adios

Quote from: BadBeast on June 04, 2010, 07:34:19 PM
Sheeit, Them's tough breaks Hawk! Now I feel a little bit stupid, and a little bit sad. So before I go and dig my Old Man's garden, (that's where the analogy sprang from) I'm going to risk another assumption, that you both had plenty of fun before it got to this stage.



We almost fucked each other to death. Once we were having afternoon sex and there was construction going on next door with power tools, etc. I guess we got so loud they quit working until we were done and then they clapped and cheered.

Adios

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on June 04, 2010, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: Hawk on June 04, 2010, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 04, 2010, 05:00:41 PM
The more research that is done on difference between sexes, the more it appears that our experiences are very different.

1. Some research indicates that men are far less spatially challenged than women. Due, not to stereotypes, but actual brain chemistry. The current theory is that men out hunting needed to find their way back home and passed on the good directional genes to their sons. One study of four year old's noted a 4:1 difference between boys that could process 3 dimensions to girls.

2. Some research indicates that women use more of their brain for smells and communication (by a large percent).

3. Some research indicates that the physical makeup of the male body has up to 10% more water than females.

4. Apparently women see colors better than men, since being able to process red is defined by the X chromosome. 

(saw it on cracked.com so it must be true!)

In the end, I think science will eventually find that males and females are VERY different... not one better or worse... just very different.  Trying to equate physical or psychological issues between the sexes seems like an exercise in futility to me. Hell, trying to equate one man's ED with another man's ED is probably not gonna work, because so much of what we 'feel' depends on our early childhood imprints. I agree with the post that siad this would make good flame fodder, but not much beyond that. In fact, I think its horrific that people with dysfunctions of any kind feel that they have to compare their problems with other people's to somehow legitimize their issues.

We have so many possible problems in our lives, either physical, psychological or environmental... trying to compete seems absurd to me.


Or the differences could simply learned. Sounds like some pretty flawed studies to me. If a woman is taught to hunt I am sure that somewhere she could find the intelligence to find her way home again.

Women can see red better than men?   :cn:

It's pretty well established that color blindness effects a significantly higher percentage of the male population than female. Source

Learned or not, there are significant differences between the straight male brain and the straight female brain. I can dig up sources on this as well.

That this leads to different experiences and ways to cope with it seems obvious. It doesn't mean that it's worse for one sex, but that the specific way it manifests varies for people and these differences shouldn't be glossed over in the name of political correctness about equality among the sexes.

I think there are a commonalities in people's experience in that it sucks, but I don't understand why people feel the need to ignore the differences.

Even if those differences come down cultural norms, as noir argues, why does that invalidate contrasting experiences?

Politically correct? Me?

People approach things from different angles. While there may be differences in some perceptions I honestly think there is far more in common than there are differences.

As far as the source you provided it talked about the red/green gene and unless I missed it did not say women can see red better than men. I can see a hot woman in a little red dress just fine, for instance.