The "WTC Mosque" hysteria, in a nutshell

[BabylonHoruv]

I didn't think Bush was very funny. Obama doesn't seem that hilarious either. Unless you're talking Will Ferrell/Adam Sandler funny. Which would explain why I don't get it. Heh. Intentional idiocy (even for the sake of comedy) annoys me.

. . . I have this sneaking suspicion in my gut that you speak true. :S

Bush was hilarious.  Obama takes a bit more to really get, but Bush was practically slapstick.

[Jenne]

As a former Southern Baptist, yes, they do.  They think Catholics are the devil's own, and all other religions are basically cults as well.  Growing up the way I did, I saw Hinduisn = Buddhism = Mormonism = 7th Day Adventism = Islam.

Shit. You. Not.

I had to go to college and research on my own to find out what the fuck the difference was.  Because if you asked a Southern Baptist, they'd just give a set answer not based on anything but prejudice.

[Jenne]

I have to side with vex on the reason the Dem Libs/assholes with no balls are siding with the "fuck the Muslims!" crowd.  They think middle America sides with them, because every fucking poll coming out of NYC says 63% (or higher) believes the mosque/center should be relocated, even though a higher percentage thinks they have the right to build one.

Just not where they want to.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

This is one case where what people think doesn't matter. The principles of religious freedom should trump public opinion all the time, not just when it feels good. Personally I think the mosque borders on insensitive, but the Constitution tells me it doesn't matter what I think, and that's a good thing.

If Democrats would just say that, at least they would have a respectable position. But they just flap around with every poll, trying to come across as agreeing with people. And nobody is the slightest bit fooled by such overt pandering for votes. They should be embarrassed, but I suspect they are too busy with focus groups and expert panels and political calculations to realize they are taking their greatest opportunity to come back for November, and turning it into the biggest GOP rout since Sherman's March.

[Adios]

This is one case where what people think doesn't matter. The principles of religious freedom should trump public opinion all the time, not just when it feels good. Personally I think the mosque borders on insensitive, but the Constitution tells me it doesn't matter what I think, and that's a good thing.

If Democrats would just say that, at least they would have a respectable position. But they just flap around with every poll, trying to come across as agreeing with people. And nobody is the slightest bit fooled by such overt pandering for votes. They should be embarrassed, but I suspect they are too busy with focus groups and expert panels and political calculations to realize they are taking their greatest opportunity to come back for November, and turning it into the biggest GOP rout since Sherman's March.

If this is stopped, then what little of a tattered paper called the constitution will wither away.

[Jenne]

Patriot Acts.  Just saying.

[Doktor Howl]

If this is stopped, then what little of a tattered paper called the constitution will wither away.

HeeeelllllOOOOO, 2003!   

[Adios]

Patriot Acts.  Just saying.

Yes, I know. But as of yet they haven't actually came out and said fuck the constitution yet. This would be the equivalent of doing exactly that. Then you can expect a strong motion for a christian nation to surface and be approved.

[Thurnez Isa]

Personally I think the mosque borders on insensitive,

http://www.park51.org/cordoba.htm
Its not a mosque but a community center
that

We're all about multiple points of entry, offering programming in the areas of arts and culture, education and recreation.  Within that larger vision, Cordoba House will be a center for multifaith dialogue and engagement within Park51's broader range of programs and activities.

which will contain

* outstanding recreation spaces and fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court)
   * a 500-seat auditorium
   * a restaurant and culinary school
   * cultural amenities including exhibitions
   * education programs
   * a library, reading room and art studios
   * childcare services
   * a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community
   * a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all

also

This non-profit will be run by an Executive Director, yet to be selected, support staff, and a 23-member Board of Directors. We will choose a diverse Board of Directors, based on leadership, experience and perspective.  The Board will not be limited by religion or region.

I don't know if you could get more benevolent.... next to handing out free food to orphans

This is the case that should be made

[Doktor Howl]

Yes, I know. But as of yet they haven't actually came out and said fuck the constitution yet.

You need to hang out on some of the GOP/Libertarian boards.

[Doktor Howl]

Personally I think the mosque borders on insensitive,

So, the propaganda about the "mosque" even works on Discordians.

What a hideous notion.

[Adios]

Yes, I know. But as of yet they haven't actually came out and said fuck the constitution yet.

You need to hang out on some of the GOP/Libertarian boards.

I have allergies.

[Adios]

Personally I think the mosque borders on insensitive,

So, the propaganda about the "mosque" even works on Discordians.

What a hideous notion.

But they have terrorist classes in them!

[Doktor Howl]

Yes, I know. But as of yet they haven't actually came out and said fuck the constitution yet.

You need to hang out on some of the GOP/Libertarian boards.

I have allergies.

I'M A CONSTITUTIONALIST!  AS LONG AS I GET TO SAY WHAT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION.
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I LIKE IT, TOO!  EXCEPT FOR ARTICLES I, II, AND VI, AND AMENDMENTS I, IV, V, VI, VIII, IX, X, AND XIV!
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[tyrannosaurus vex]

Personally I think the mosque borders on insensitive,

So, the propaganda about the "mosque" even works on Discordians.

What a hideous notion.

That's a gut-reaction without thinking about it. I admit I am not the most enlightened person ever, and the fact that I identify as a "Discordian" really doesn't automatically separate me from anybody else. I'm still an American and I still remember seeing what happened on 9/11, and I still carry some residual associations with respect to Islam, as uninformed and ignorant as they may be. That was the point of my post -- that the principles of what used to be called America stand higher and are more noble than many people or their daily ideas or long-held beliefs. What I was illustrating was that at least I can recognize that my gut instincts should not be manifested in law or governmental decree at the expense of other people's rights to live as they choose.

That I think the mosque is insensitive in some ways is irrelevant, and that irrelevance is what I am trying to emphasize.