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LMNO

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on April 22, 2011, 11:03:11 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 20, 2011, 03:58:06 PM
This is also not a "gotcha" question.

What do you mean by a "gotcha" question?

Typically, it's a question where I already know the answer, framed in a way to look unbiased, but in fact traps and skewers the person for whom the question is intended.

For example, let's pretend I knew what the MA numbers were since decriminalization, and it showed a substantial decrease in criminal activity and drug use by minors, with strong implications that decriminalization was the primary cause (NOTE: AS STATED ABOVE, THE ACTUAL STATISTICS HAVE NOT COME BACK YET. THE PREVIOUS STATEMENT IS A HYPOTHETICAL).

To then ask RWHN about them as if I was unaware of the results would force him to admit, in his own voice, the positive effects of decriminalization.  And then I say, "Gotcha!"

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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 25, 2011, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on April 22, 2011, 11:03:11 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 20, 2011, 03:58:06 PM
This is also not a "gotcha" question.

What do you mean by a "gotcha" question?

Typically, it's a question where I already know the answer, framed in a way to look unbiased, but in fact traps and skewers the person for whom the question is intended.

For example, let's pretend I knew what the MA numbers were since decriminalization, and it showed a substantial decrease in criminal activity and drug use by minors, with strong implications that decriminalization was the primary cause (NOTE: AS STATED ABOVE, THE ACTUAL STATISTICS HAVE NOT COME BACK YET. THE PREVIOUS STATEMENT IS A HYPOTHETICAL).

To then ask RWHN about them as if I was unaware of the results would force him to admit, in his own voice, the positive effects of decriminalization.  And then I say, "Gotcha!"

How do you determine whether a person is feigning ignorance versus maintaining skepticism that their own facts may be wrong or misinterpreted?

And there is no "forcing people to admit things" by asking questions. That's absurd. People decline to comment, contort their brain in fascinating ways, or answer the question they wanted to be asked ALL THE TIME. Police interrogators who beat people into signing confessions is a matter of "forcing people to admit things," not asking questions that you're free to avoid or criticize.
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LMNO

Are you seriously saying you've never heard of people doing this?  

There's even a freakin' Wikipedia page for it.

I don't think we really need to argue whether or not the technique exists.

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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 25, 2011, 07:55:09 PM
Are you seriously saying you've never heard of people doing this? 

There's even a freakin' Wikipedia page for it.

I don't think we really need to argue whether or not the technique exists.

I've never heard of people doing this on message boards, no.
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The Good Reverend Roger

This thread is like a big, red box, and you can put tools in it.   :)
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on April 25, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 25, 2011, 07:55:09 PM
Are you seriously saying you've never heard of people doing this? 

There's even a freakin' Wikipedia page for it.

I don't think we really need to argue whether or not the technique exists.

I've never heard of people doing this on message boards, no.

Ok, so let's put in into context:

RWHN is essentially a one-man defender of Maine's drug policy.

I want to ask him a question about how MA's decriminalization is going in terms of the numbers reported.

If you put yourself in his shoes, that could sound suspiciously like some guy trying to corner him, or someone who was about to use specious arguments and figures that don't apply to the case at hand, trying to prove his ideas invalid; which has happened in this thread a few times.

However, I was being honest, in that I didn't actually know what the numbers were; and since he works in information-gathering circles, he would be the one to ask.

To indicate that I was being sincere and not duplicitous, I stated that it was not a "gotcha" question.  I was assuming that such a phrase would be understandable to most readers, who could make the leap and apply the term in this context.

However, I made an "Assumption" -- which, it appears, made an "Ass" out of "u".

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 25, 2011, 08:27:49 PM
This thread is like a big, red box, and you can put tools in it.   :)

:lulz:
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: Nigel on April 25, 2011, 08:33:29 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 25, 2011, 08:27:49 PM
This thread is like a big, red box, and you can put tools in it.   :)

:lulz:

:oops:  I think I took someone's screwdriver......

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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 25, 2011, 08:33:01 PM
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on April 25, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 25, 2011, 07:55:09 PM
Are you seriously saying you've never heard of people doing this?  

There's even a freakin' Wikipedia page for it.

I don't think we really need to argue whether or not the technique exists.

I've never heard of people doing this on message boards, no.

Ok, so let's put in into context:

RWHN is essentially a one-man defender of Maine's drug policy.

I want to ask him a question about how MA's decriminalization is going in terms of the numbers reported.

If you put yourself in his shoes, that could sound suspiciously like some guy trying to corner him, or someone who was about to use specious arguments and figures that don't apply to the case at hand, trying to prove his ideas invalid; which has happened in this thread a few times.

However, I was being honest, in that I didn't actually know what the numbers were; and since he works in information-gathering circles, he would be the one to ask.

To indicate that I was being sincere and not duplicitous, I stated that it was not a "gotcha" question.  I was assuming that such a phrase would be understandable to most readers, who could make the leap and apply the term in this context.

However, I made an "Assumption" -- which, it appears, made an "Ass" out of "u".

I still find your whole idea of "gotcha journalism" having anything to do with message boards pretty laughable.

"I WAS CORNERED ON THE INTERNET!"
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:lord:
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The Good Reverend Roger

ITT, HEELS DUG IN 3 FEET AND CLAWS EXTENDED.   :lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on April 25, 2011, 08:40:05 PM

I still find your whole idea of "gotcha journalism" having anything to do with message boards pretty laughable.

"I WAS CORNERED ON THE INTERNET!"
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:lord:

Laugh all you want, you're still the only one who couldn't make the connection.

The Good Reverend Roger

I'm honestly puzzled, here.  Net is claiming that ambush-style questions are never used on the internet?

:lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞

Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 25, 2011, 08:41:46 PM
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on April 25, 2011, 08:40:05 PM

I still find your whole idea of "gotcha journalism" having anything to do with message boards pretty laughable.

"I WAS CORNERED ON THE INTERNET!"
 \
:lord:

Laugh all you want, you're still the only one who couldn't make the connection.

I asked not because I didn't understand, but why you thought that was relevant to a debate on the internet.


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 25, 2011, 08:47:20 PM
I'm honestly puzzled, here.  Net is claiming that ambush-style questions are never used on the internet?

:lulz:

Could you give me an example?
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Bruno

Formerly something else...

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on April 25, 2011, 08:56:19 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 25, 2011, 08:41:46 PM
Quote from: ☄ · · · N E T · · · ☄ on April 25, 2011, 08:40:05 PM

I still find your whole idea of "gotcha journalism" having anything to do with message boards pretty laughable.

"I WAS CORNERED ON THE INTERNET!"
 \
:lord:

Laugh all you want, you're still the only one who couldn't make the connection.

I asked not because I didn't understand, but why you thought that was relevant to a debate on the internet.


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 25, 2011, 08:47:20 PM
I'm honestly puzzled, here.  Net is claiming that ambush-style questions are never used on the internet?

:lulz:

Could you give me an example?

No, I think I'd rather just laugh at you.  Like this --->  :lulz:

This is the most RIDICULOUS case of heel entrenching I've EVER seen on PD.  Congratulations...It's not every day that you see someone deny the existence of one of the best trolling techniques ever devised.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.