Maddow interviews Jon Stewart

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I knew they did, and didn't deny it.  by helpfully pointing out that libertarians started the tea party movement before Palin et. al. were figure heads, you've proved my original point nicely.

I never said Palin started it.  What the hell are you on about?

[Disco Pickle]

I knew they did, and didn't deny it.  by helpfully pointing out that libertarians started the tea party movement before Palin et. al. were figure heads, you've proved my original point nicely.

I never said Palin started it.  What the hell are you on about?

As for Palin, she's a war hawk, and the battle within the party was begun by the antiwar, socially liberal, fiscally conservative libertarians.

Utter bullshit.  The battle was begun by the right wing fanatics when they lost the 2006 and 2008 elections.  They started tossing people out/throwing them under the bus based on ideological litmus tests.  They even drove Arlen Specter out of the party, and he's been there since Christ was a corporal.

your original shit tossing that I attempted to answer with reasoned discourse, before you started calling me a liar.

Of course you do.  We can't run around holding Mrs Sarah responsible for her actions, or Steele for his.  It wouldn't be right.

And we're all stupid as fuck, and can't remember things that happened 2 years ago.

Spector quit because he was told he was insufficiently conservative, and his party was not only not going to help him in the primary, they were going to fund someone to run against him.

But why let a fact or two get in the way, when Mrs Palin's honor is at stake?

might have misinterpreted this entire thing, sure.  I thought what you meant was somehow I was being an apologist for for Sarah Palin's war mongering in the middle east, when I felt I was clearly drawing a line between the sort of people endorsing that crazy bitch, and the sort of people who tried to remind the Republican party that it was not, historically, the war party and party of over seas intervention, for both idealogical and fiscal reasons.  Also that this recent division began outside of national Republican faces, at a much more local level.  Yeah, there were the usual suspects from the religious right, all fire and brimstone for war to bring on Armageddon, military spending no matter the cost, and ban fags from marriage doncha know..  but they were finally being shouted down by people sick of hearing that sort of shit attributed to them as part of the party, if only for a brief time before the primaries were over.

In hindsight, I should have ignored your jabs at the point where you called me a blatant liar.  While I can be just as misinformed as anyone on a particular subject, accusing me of outright willful dishonesty grabbed my nuts the wrong way and I felt I had to answer.

I wont do that in the future with you Roger.  I know you're a self proclaimed horrible cunt, and you revel in it like a pig rooting in it's own shit, but I hope the volume of venom was more due to the shit you have going on otherwise and not because you like conflict for the sake of conflict, no matter the casualty.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I wont do that in the future with you Roger.  I know you're a self proclaimed horrible cunt, and you revel in it like a pig rooting in it's own shit, but I hope the volume of venom was more due to the shit you have going on otherwise and not because you like conflict for the sake of conflict, no matter the casualty.

I'm an artist, DP.

[Thurnez Isa]

Most be that modern art I hear so much about

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Most be that modern art I hear so much about

I actually was making a point, but why not kill two birds with one stone and be a cunt, too?   

[Disco Pickle]

Most be that modern art I hear so much about

I actually was making a point, but why not kill two birds with one stone and be a cunt, too?   

something along the lines of "it's a art?"

if not, you two lost me.  late anyway.  work happens early.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

something along the lines of "it's a art?"

Outside of the flyover states, we say "an art".

Just saying.

TGRR,
Usually kind to drunks, the mentally ill, and laissez faire capitalists.

[Disco Pickle]

something along the lines of "it's a art?"

Outside of the flyover states, we say "an art".

Just saying.

TGRR,
Usually kind to drunks, the mentally ill, and laissez faire capitalists.

I'll forgive you this for your age.  In your defense, I probably wouldn't know that particular subtle bit of trolling except I got bored while unemployed and staying up late a few years ago.

someone who's previous posts could be said to be well written and mostly free of errors in grammar then adding at the end that "it's a art" or specifically, "trolling is a art" is a very...   lazy way to troll someone who wants to be a grammar nazi.

I wont hold the rest of it against you since you're being nice. 

you cock, you.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

something along the lines of "it's a art?"

Outside of the flyover states, we say "an art".

Just saying.

TGRR,
Usually kind to drunks, the mentally ill, and laissez faire capitalists.

I'll forgive you this for your age.  In your defense, I probably wouldn't know that particular subtle bit of trolling except I got bored while unemployed and staying up late a few years ago.

someone who's previous posts could be said to be well written and mostly free of errors in grammar then adding at the end that "it's a art" or specifically, "trolling is a art" is a very...   lazy way to troll someone who wants to be a grammar nazi.

I wont hold the rest of it against you since you're being nice. 

you cock, you.

I'm a horrible cunt so you don't have to.

You should be thanking me.

The short and skinny of the actual message I was conveying amongst the trolling was this:  You believe the wrong things.  Not that your beliefs are necessarily wrong, mind you, it's that you've chosen the wrong sorts of things to believe in.

[Disco Pickle]

something along the lines of "it's a art?"

Outside of the flyover states, we say "an art".

Just saying.

TGRR,
Usually kind to drunks, the mentally ill, and laissez faire capitalists.

I'll forgive you this for your age.  In your defense, I probably wouldn't know that particular subtle bit of trolling except I got bored while unemployed and staying up late a few years ago.

someone who's previous posts could be said to be well written and mostly free of errors in grammar then adding at the end that "it's a art" or specifically, "trolling is a art" is a very...   lazy way to troll someone who wants to be a grammar nazi.

I wont hold the rest of it against you since you're being nice. 

you cock, you.

I'm a horrible cunt so you don't have to.

You should be thanking me.

The short and skinny of the actual message I was conveying amongst the trolling was this:  You believe the wrong things.  Not that your beliefs are necessarily wrong, mind you, it's that you've chosen the wrong sorts of things to believe in.

I'm going to have to get back to this when my I have a reply that doesn't sound like I'm being a complete fucking dick (even though that's my first instinct) and I'm not also not mired in markup drawings with deadlines on them.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm going to have to get back to this when my I have a reply that doesn't sound like I'm being a complete fucking dick

WHAT'S THIS?  CALM, REASONABLE BEHAVIOR ON MY PD?  

I was being serious, though.  You believe the wrong things.

[Telarus]

Genuinely interested where this is going.

And NOT in the way, genuinely interested.

[Pope Lecherous]

Genuinely interested where this is going.

And NOT in the way, genuinely interested.

interested in the argument about arguments, or maddow and stewart?  Cain pretty much summarized it with his trope reference. stewart is pussyfooting about, vice giving it to them hard like a true master of satire would.

it's interesting stewart doesn't consider himself to be a newsman *say it newsmun* when he is the equivalent of an editorial laced with jokes, as opposed to a biting criticism most liken to his self-proclaimed title 'satirist'

[Disco Pickle]

I'm going to have to get back to this when my I have a reply that doesn't sound like I'm being a complete fucking dick

WHAT'S THIS?  CALM, REASONABLE BEHAVIOR ON MY PD?  

I was being serious, though.  You believe the wrong things.

alright, I've thought about it, and rather than the completely asshole sounding statement that was my knee jerk reaction, I've settled on slightly sarcastic interogative.

do please tell me, oh condescending holy pope of Discord, what these things are that I believe that are wrong and how I might get right in the eyes of our most beloved goddess and your highness the great pointer outer of wrongness on this Machines Forum, Simple though it may be.

[Disco Pickle]

Genuinely interested where this is going.

And NOT in the way, genuinely interested.

interested in the argument about arguments, or maddow and stewart?  Cain pretty much summarized it with his trope reference. stewart is pussyfooting about, vice giving it to them hard like a true master of satire would.

it's interesting stewart doesn't consider himself to be a newsman *say it newsmun* when he is the equivalent of an editorial laced with jokes, as opposed to a biting criticism most liken to his self-proclaimed title 'satirist'

I think that's because he feels he has to go for the laughter angle to maintain both his audience and his guest pool.  He can be critical without alienating future potential guests who might begin to believe they'll be railroaded and laughed at rather than with.

I think his position is that the hard questions should be being asked by Real News People.  At least, that was what I got out of the session of Crossfire with Tucker Carlson that got the show shut down.

He's not saying anything differently than what he said back in 2004 on that show, IMO.