Prison Bans Books and Disco Pickle Learns a Lesson

[Luna]

I often forget that you don't actually want to help, or at the least your idea of helping would likely be to just let everyone out and start over from the beginning.  

wat

How does it feel to have words stuffed in your mouth?

Even if the true error rate of America's criminal justice system is only ten percent, this translates to 200,000 innocent people presently behind bars in the United States. It means that there are more innocent prisoners in America than there are prisoners of all kinds in France, Germany and Britain combined.

That's not accurate at all.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

Prison Population:

United States:  2,292,133

France:   59,655
Germany: 69,385
Britain:    85,206
         _________
           214,246

Cribbed from:  http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/worldbrief/

It's actually VERY accurate.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Luna, that's not fair.  You're using relevant data.

[Disco Pickle]

I often forget that you don't actually want to help, or at the least your idea of helping would likely be to just let everyone out and start over from the beginning.  

wat

How does it feel to have words stuffed in your mouth?

Even if the true error rate of America's criminal justice system is only ten percent, this translates to 200,000 innocent people presently behind bars in the United States. It means that there are more innocent prisoners in America than there are prisoners of all kinds in France, Germany and Britain combined.

That's not accurate at all.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

WTF?  That shows crimes committed, not people in prison.

Damn those pesky facts all to hell!

sorry, this was the proper link.

[EDIT FOR LINK]http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/downloads/world-prison-pop-seventh.pdf

[EDIT]and where did you get a percentage on people falsely imprisoned in the US?

dicks. that was a bit rude.  you're not ALL dicks.

[Adios]

while violent crime has been decreasing since the 90's, due to the War on Drugs and the laws that came with it in the 80's

Again: wat?

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[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I often forget that you don't actually want to help, or at the least your idea of helping would likely be to just let everyone out and start over from the beginning.  

wat

How does it feel to have words stuffed in your mouth?

Even if the true error rate of America's criminal justice system is only ten percent, this translates to 200,000 innocent people presently behind bars in the United States. It means that there are more innocent prisoners in America than there are prisoners of all kinds in France, Germany and Britain combined.

That's not accurate at all.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

WTF?  That shows crimes committed, not people in prison.

Damn those pesky facts all to hell!

sorry, this was the proper link.

dicks.

What link?

Also, it's interesting that the first reaction of an objectivist to evidence in contradiction to their beliefs is to call everyone "dicks".

Question:  Are you currently in university, DP?

[Luna]

Luna, that's not fair.  You're using relevant data.

Betcher ass I am.  Who said ANYTHING is fair?

If everything was fair, we wouldn't have the combined prison population of Germany, England, and France's worth of innocent people sitting in cells.

[Adios]

I often forget that you don't actually want to help, or at the least your idea of helping would likely be to just let everyone out and start over from the beginning.  

wat

How does it feel to have words stuffed in your mouth?

Even if the true error rate of America's criminal justice system is only ten percent, this translates to 200,000 innocent people presently behind bars in the United States. It means that there are more innocent prisoners in America than there are prisoners of all kinds in France, Germany and Britain combined.

That's not accurate at all.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

WTF?  That shows crimes committed, not people in prison.

Damn those pesky facts all to hell!

sorry, this was the proper link.

dicks.

My Fellow Dicks,

I think we hurted it's feewings by using real data. Please carry on.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Luna, that's not fair.  You're using relevant data.

Betcher ass I am.  Who said ANYTHING is fair?

If everything was fair, we wouldn't have the combined prison population of Germany, England, and France's worth of innocent people sitting in cells.

Well yeah, but they're all hopeless Europeans.... not AMERICANS!

[trippinprincezz13]

and Rev. the fact of the matter is that Men, minorities, and low income people are more likely to be victims of crime and more likely to commit crime, [EDIT] and the rate of violent crime DID increase throughout the 70's and 80's, prompting calls for stricter laws. [/EDIT]  That's the statistical reality.  I often forget that you don't actually want to help, or at the least your idea of helping would likely be to just let everyone out and start over from the beginning.  

Commit? Or be convicted of?

And why do you suppose that is? I mean surely all that legal income, higher education and equal opportunity work is just their's for the taking right? If they just WANTED it bad enough they'd be living the American dream with the white picket fence and rolling around in piles of money RIGHT? It's just so easy! They just don't WANT it enough, those lazy brown bastards, eh?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

and Rev. the fact of the matter is that Men, minorities, and low income people are more likely to be victims of crime and more likely to commit crime, [EDIT] and the rate of violent crime DID increase throughout the 70's and 80's, prompting calls for stricter laws. [/EDIT]  That's the statistical reality.  I often forget that you don't actually want to help, or at the least your idea of helping would likely be to just let everyone out and start over from the beginning.  

Commit? Or be convicted of?

And why do you suppose that is? I mean surely all that legal income, higher education and equal opportunity work is just their's for the taking right? If they just WANTED it bad enough they'd be living the American dream with the white picket fence and rolling around in piles of money RIGHT? It's just so easy! They just don't WANT it enough, those lazy brown bastards, eh?

They should have read The Fountainhead while there was still time.   

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

IT'S NOT PERFECT BUT IT WORKS!!!
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[The Good Reverend Roger]

I often forget that you don't actually want to help, or at the least your idea of helping would likely be to just let everyone out and start over from the beginning.  

wat

How does it feel to have words stuffed in your mouth?

Even if the true error rate of America's criminal justice system is only ten percent, this translates to 200,000 innocent people presently behind bars in the United States. It means that there are more innocent prisoners in America than there are prisoners of all kinds in France, Germany and Britain combined.

That's not accurate at all.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

WTF?  That shows crimes committed, not people in prison.

Damn those pesky facts all to hell!

sorry, this was the proper link.

dicks.

My Fellow Dicks,

I think we hurted it's feewings by using real data. Please carry on.

No, no, no, the number of reported crimes = the number of people in prison.

[Adios]

Every year in America, 6,000 killers get away with murder.

The percentage of homicides that go unsolved in the United States has risen alarmingly even as the homicide rate has fallen to levels last seen in the 1960s.

Despite dramatic improvements in DNA analysis and forensic science, police fail to make an arrest in more than one-third of all homicides. National clearance rates for murder and manslaughter have fallen from about 90 percent in the 1960s to below 65 percent in recent years.

The majority of homicides now go unsolved at dozens of big-city police departments, according to a Scripps Howard News Service study of crime records provided by the FBI.
{snip}
Experts say that homicides are tougher to solve now because crimes of passion, where assailants are easier to identify, have been replaced by drug- and gang-related killings. Many police chiefs -- especially in areas with rising numbers of unsolved crimes -- blame a lack of witness cooperation.
http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2010/may/24/unsolved-homicides/

God, this is swiftly approaching mental abuse.

[East Coast Hustle]

what we have now, while flawed, still has checks and balances that help to prevent this sort of thing and is also fluid and able to be changed over time when mistakes are identified.

you're still operating under the false premise that the system, as it currenty exists, is something other than EXACTLY what it was intended to be. Those "checks and balances" are a lie, and nobody who has any degree of control over how the system is shaped has any interest in making changes that you or I would regard as improvements. In fact, they have a heavily vested interest in NOT making any of those sorts of changes.