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Re: News Stories Which Highlight the Structure of the System
« Reply #525 on: April 11, 2014, 09:04:02 pm »
I'm sorry, but any publication that has only just discovered USAID is involved in subversion abroad and works as a proxy for the CIA is too dumb and historically ignorant to report critically on national security issues.

On his last blog post at Rolling Stone, Matt Taibbi said he's going to be working for First Look Media. So at least the parent company has someone reliable in the pipeline, though not necessarily the Intercept.
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« Reply #527 on: April 12, 2014, 12:42:26 am »
I can't decide whom I hate more.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/militias-head-nevada-ranchers-standoff-feds-were-n/

Uuuugh, saw a lot of this one today.

Yeah, I'm trying to make sense of it from what I can gather...  Sounds like the rancher's family HAS always used the land... but it always PAID the required fees to do so, until this guy decided to stop in 1993.  They've been fighting with him for twenty years, have gotten a court order for him to move his cattle off public land, he's basically said, "screw you, touch my cows and I'll shoot your dumb ass."  Then, when they finally came to get his cows, he was offended that they brought guns, used a taser on his kid, and is basically yelling for any yahoo with a gun to come shoot the evil feds for him.

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Re: News Stories Which Highlight the Structure of the System
« Reply #528 on: April 12, 2014, 06:07:55 pm »
I'm sorry, but any publication that has only just discovered USAID is involved in subversion abroad and works as a proxy for the CIA is too dumb and historically ignorant to report critically on national security issues.

On his last blog post at Rolling Stone, Matt Taibbi said he's going to be working for First Look Media. So at least the parent company has someone reliable in the pipeline, though not necessarily the Intercept.

Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about that particular move.

I mean, Taibbi, Marcy Wheeler and Jeremy Scahill are all great journalists, with a good history of muckracking.  But Pierre Omidyar is intimately involved in how The Intercept is run (according to Scahill, he uses the internal messaging system more than anyone else at The Intercept, and is heavily involved in every story that is run), so I'm definitely getting a feeling that this may be a limited hangout, with Pierre and, to a lesser extent, Greenwald, acting as the gatekeepers and self-appointed guardians of "responsible whistleblowing".

I mean, Greenwald summed up the whole Cuba affair as "this is just one propaganda technique among a sea of them" which, while true, is also the kind of comment which can suggest this is not worth paying much attention to.  That does worry me.

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Re: News Stories Which Highlight the Structure of the System
« Reply #529 on: April 12, 2014, 07:21:43 pm »
I can't decide whom I hate more.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/militias-head-nevada-ranchers-standoff-feds-were-n/

Maybe this will help.  The Houston Freethinkers, vis something called the "National Liberty Federation", posted this image


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Re: News Stories Which Highlight the Structure of the System
« Reply #530 on: April 12, 2014, 07:56:53 pm »
I can't decide whom I hate more.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/militias-head-nevada-ranchers-standoff-feds-were-n/

Maybe this will help.  The Houston Freethinkers, vis something called the "National Liberty Federation", posted this image



Waiiiiit, what?  :lol: These people have no idea what "socialism" is, do they?
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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« Reply #531 on: April 12, 2014, 07:58:55 pm »
Of course they do, they're freethinkers.  They're free to think socialism is whatever they want it to be.  Stop imposing your socialist tyrannical narrative on them.

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« Reply #532 on: April 12, 2014, 08:02:27 pm »
I think I'm getting the hang of this. When the government lets THEM have access to a publicly-owned resource for free, that's "freedom". When the government lets someone ELSE have access to a public resource for free, that's "socialism".
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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« Reply #533 on: April 12, 2014, 09:04:51 pm »
Nah, I see this as totally political.

His family has maintained the lands roads and waterways there for about a hundred years (giving them certain "easement" rights) and paid fees to the state to use the land as seasonal grazing. The current controversy is that the feds declared the area "tortoise habitat", deemed that superseded any contracts they ranchers had with the state, and that the cut herds to 10% of previous numbers and pay them the fees to continue grazing. That meant from over 1k cattle to 150. He refused, took them to court and stopped paying any fees to the feds.

Now, they're confiscating cattle and euthanizing most of them.

This all starts to sounds like "yay environment" until you learn that the feds also plan to kill 700 tortoises (half) in the local federally funded conservatory nearby: http://linkis.com/www.rawstory.com/rs/XROjg

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« Reply #534 on: April 12, 2014, 09:08:09 pm »
That sounds like something Joe Stalin would do.  Obama's tortoise Holodomor must be stopped.

OK, seriously, I do feel kinda bad for the rancher.  And I suppose I cannot fault him for running to the only people who appear to give a shit, even if they are retards who think Obama's the next incarnation of Ho Chi Minh.  And really don't give a shit, beyond pushing their "anything less than full metal JOHN GALT is the next coming of Lenin" nonsense.

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« Reply #535 on: April 12, 2014, 09:14:40 pm »
Hence my reaction of "Uuuugh..."  :lulz: Such a face-palm worthy situation.
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Re: News Stories Which Highlight the Structure of the System
« Reply #536 on: April 12, 2014, 10:59:18 pm »
I'm sorry, but any publication that has only just discovered USAID is involved in subversion abroad and works as a proxy for the CIA is too dumb and historically ignorant to report critically on national security issues.

On his last blog post at Rolling Stone, Matt Taibbi said he's going to be working for First Look Media. So at least the parent company has someone reliable in the pipeline, though not necessarily the Intercept.

Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about that particular move.

I mean, Taibbi, Marcy Wheeler and Jeremy Scahill are all great journalists, with a good history of muckracking.  But Pierre Omidyar is intimately involved in how The Intercept is run (according to Scahill, he uses the internal messaging system more than anyone else at The Intercept, and is heavily involved in every story that is run), so I'm definitely getting a feeling that this may be a limited hangout, with Pierre and, to a lesser extent, Greenwald, acting as the gatekeepers and self-appointed guardians of "responsible whistleblowing".

I mean, Greenwald summed up the whole Cuba affair as "this is just one propaganda technique among a sea of them" which, while true, is also the kind of comment which can suggest this is not worth paying much attention to.  That does worry me.

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« Reply #537 on: April 13, 2014, 04:38:38 am »
I think I'm getting the hang of this. When the government lets THEM have access to a publicly-owned resource for free, that's "freedom". When the government lets someone ELSE have access to a public resource for free, that's "socialism".

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« Reply #538 on: April 13, 2014, 04:51:25 am »
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
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« Reply #539 on: April 13, 2014, 07:57:31 am »
Nah, I see this as totally political.

His family has maintained the lands roads and waterways there for about a hundred years (giving them certain "easement" rights) and paid fees to the state to use the land as seasonal grazing. The current controversy is that the feds declared the area "tortoise habitat", deemed that superseded any contracts they ranchers had with the state, and that the cut herds to 10% of previous numbers and pay them the fees to continue grazing. That meant from over 1k cattle to 150. He refused, took them to court and stopped paying any fees to the feds.

Now, they're confiscating cattle and euthanizing most of them.

This all starts to sounds like "yay environment" until you learn that the feds also plan to kill 700 tortoises (half) in the local federally funded conservatory nearby: http://linkis.com/www.rawstory.com/rs/XROjg

Do you have some better articles that tie this issue into the land-use story at all?
“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”