Excuse me while I vomit.- Trigger Warning for Rape and Rape Culture.

[LMNO]

Blackfoot, I know this is anectdotal, but do you know anyone who calls themselves a PUA who isn't a douchebag?  You can posit that at least one must exist, but have you ever seen one in the wild?

Remember, we're talking self-described PUAs here, not just any Lothario or Cassanova.

I think my position that the probability a self-described PUA is a douchebag rapidly approaches 1, stands; and therefore, a casual user can use it as a near-universal manner.

[Pope Lecherous]

Is manipulation for sex, rape?

It is in Israel

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew

I heard Sweden has similar laws.

[Pope Lecherous]

Blackfoot, I know this is anectdotal, but do you know anyone who calls themselves a PUA who isn't a douchebag?  You can posit that at least one must exist, but have you ever seen one in the wild?

Remember, we're talking self-described PUAs here, not just any Lothario or Cassanova.

I think my position that the probability a self-described PUA is a douchebag rapidly approaches 1, stands; and therefore, a casual user can use it as a near-universal manner.

I've met a few guys in the club scene that definitely knew what they were doing.  But just once did a person identify that way and i wasn't repulsed by their methodology.  I'll give that one to you though. (Rapidly approaching 1)

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I would like to change the definition of the term. 

Why? 

[Pope Lecherous]

I would like to change the definition of the term. 

Why?

I don't have a particular reason.  Do you have any good alternatives?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think we can probably agree that either way, the PUA (from some almost rapey douche to a Don Juan di Marco) objectifies women. Rather than seeing them as equal human beings, they see them as a prize or prey or target. In all situations though, they somehow convince the woman to say yes.

Rapists, on the other had fall into the categories stretching from "I didn't understand that what I did was rape" to some freak that tries to dominate or hold power over another person (not just to get a little nookie). In all situations though, the woman doesn't say yes.

So maybe we can agree that they all have some seriously fucked up view of women and they all could probably use a good bit of reprogramming/BiP modification.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I would like to change the definition of the term. 

Why?

I don't have a particular reason.  Do you have any good alternatives?

I'm just wondering why a label is required for some person who's just out looking for a companion, etc.

I mean, when I was single, I was looking around, but I felt no need for a label like PUA.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think we can probably agree that either way, the PUA (from some almost rapey douche to a Don Juan di Marco) objectifies women. Rather than seeing them as equal human beings, they see them as a prize or prey or target. In all situations though, they somehow convince the woman to say yes.

Rapists, on the other had fall into the categories stretching from "I didn't understand that what I did was rape" to some freak that tries to dominate or hold power over another person (not just to get a little nookie). In all situations though, the woman doesn't say yes.

So maybe we can agree that they all have some seriously fucked up view of women and they all could probably use a good bit of reprogramming/BiP modification.

I don't consider a PUA to be automatically a rapist.  If they go with "the program", though, they are.

Someone needs to do a ven diagram of scumbags, PUAs, and rapists.

[LMNO]

To the Gliffy machine!


Wait -- it's 4:00.  Fuck that.



TO THE GAY BAR!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

To the Gliffy machine!


Wait -- it's 4:00.  Fuck that.



TO THE GAY BAR!

TO THE GAY BAR!

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

I would like to change the definition of the term. 

Why?

I don't have a particular reason.  Do you have any good alternatives?

I'm just wondering why a label is required for some person who's just out looking for a companion, etc.

I mean, when I was single, I was looking around, but I felt no need for a label like PUA.

There already is a label. "Single and looking". Or did someone go and change up the everything on me again?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I would like to change the definition of the term. 

Why?

I don't have a particular reason.  Do you have any good alternatives?

I'm just wondering why a label is required for some person who's just out looking for a companion, etc.

I mean, when I was single, I was looking around, but I felt no need for a label like PUA.

There already is a label. "Single and looking". Or did someone go and change up the everything on me again?

That's more of a status than a label, I think.

[Pope Lecherous]

I would like to change the definition of the term. 

Why?

I don't have a particular reason.  Do you have any good alternatives?

I'm just wondering why a label is required for some person who's just out looking for a companion, etc.

I mean, when I was single, I was looking around, but I felt no need for a label like PUA.

There already is a label. "Single and looking". Or did someone go and change up the everything on me again?

That's more of a status than a label, I think.

1. Unconscious Incompetence
2. Conscious Incompetence
3. Conscious Competence
4. Unconscious Competence

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I would like to change the definition of the term. 

Why?

I don't have a particular reason.  Do you have any good alternatives?

I'm just wondering why a label is required for some person who's just out looking for a companion, etc.

I mean, when I was single, I was looking around, but I felt no need for a label like PUA.

There already is a label. "Single and looking". Or did someone go and change up the everything on me again?

That's more of a status than a label, I think.

1. Unconscious Incompetence
2. Conscious Incompetence
3. Conscious Competence
4. Unconscious Competence

What are you talking about?

[Pope Lecherous]

I would like to change the definition of the term. 

Why?

I don't have a particular reason.  Do you have any good alternatives?

I'm just wondering why a label is required for some person who's just out looking for a companion, etc.

I mean, when I was single, I was looking around, but I felt no need for a label like PUA.

There already is a label. "Single and looking". Or did someone go and change up the everything on me again?

That's more of a status than a label, I think.

1. Unconscious Incompetence
2. Conscious Incompetence
3. Conscious Competence
4. Unconscious Competence

What are you talking about?

skill levels. levels of mastery for any given skill.