How most men, even good caring men, have no clue what women go through

[Cain]

Pork pies are pretty great, though.

[Eater of Clowns]

Hats off to that.

[Luna]

See, now if this was an altercation between two men most people would recognize the other is bullying and being a total dick. Yet with women it's just the way you do things, apparently.

A lot of guys just don't realize that they aren't the first one's to try and talk to them about what is probably eventually sex. The trouble is, if you give women enough breathing room they're as eager for sex as anyone else.

But when you step out of your door to get the mail and someone offers you pork pie, and then you go down to the gym and someone offers you pork pie, and your boss subtly offers you pork pie for lunch, and you get an offer for pork pie when you pick your car up from the shop, you damned well don't want any god damned pork pie when you get off of work. It doesn't matter if you like pork pie or not.

Thanks, Alty, I love this post.

I'll take it a bit further, though...  It's not just that I'm being offered something, it's the goddamn attitude that I should be GRATEFUL that it's being offered, should drop whatever it is I'm doing to avidly pursue it, and how DARE I let such a golden opportunity pass by? 

Shit, I've gotten THAT bullshit attitude from guys I KNOW.  (This sort of bullshit removes you from my friend list...  If you're my buddy, and I'm currently unattached, a polite pass is a compliment, even if I'm not interested, and I'll do my damned best not to crush your ego when I turn you down...  but, get pissy about it and act like I OWED you anything because you took time out of your busy schedule to hit me up, then fuck you very much, get lost.)

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

See, now if this was an altercation between two men most people would recognize the other is bullying and being a total dick. Yet with women it's just the way you do things, apparently.

A lot of guys just don't realize that they aren't the first one's to try and talk to them about what is probably eventually sex. The trouble is, if you give women enough breathing room they're as eager for sex as anyone else.

But when you step out of your door to get the mail and someone offers you pork pie, and then you go down to the gym and someone offers you pork pie, and your boss subtly offers you pork pie for lunch, and you get an offer for pork pie when you pick your car up from the shop, you damned well don't want any god damned pork pie when you get off of work. It doesn't matter if you like pork pie or not.

Thanks, Alty, I love this post.

I'll take it a bit further, though...  It's not just that I'm being offered something, it's the goddamn attitude that I should be GRATEFUL that it's being offered, should drop whatever it is I'm doing to avidly pursue it, and how DARE I let such a golden opportunity pass by? 

Shit, I've gotten THAT bullshit attitude from guys I KNOW.  (This sort of bullshit removes you from my friend list...  If you're my buddy, and I'm currently unattached, a polite pass is a compliment, even if I'm not interested, and I'll do my damned best not to crush your ego when I turn you down...  but, get pissy about it and act like I OWED you anything because you took time out of your busy schedule to hit me up, then fuck you very much, get lost.)

There's also the idea that all pork pies are interchangable.

We usually have a PARTICULAR pork pie in mind. We might even be on our way to GET some awesome and succulent pork pie. Doesn't mean we want to be bothered with some flyblown McPorkpie on the way.

[Signora Pæsior]

See, now if this was an altercation between two men most people would recognize the other is bullying and being a total dick. Yet with women it's just the way you do things, apparently.

A lot of guys just don't realize that they aren't the first one's to try and talk to them about what is probably eventually sex. The trouble is, if you give women enough breathing room they're as eager for sex as anyone else.

But when you step out of your door to get the mail and someone offers you pork pie, and then you go down to the gym and someone offers you pork pie, and your boss subtly offers you pork pie for lunch, and you get an offer for pork pie when you pick your car up from the shop, you damned well don't want any god damned pork pie when you get off of work. It doesn't matter if you like pork pie or not.

Thanks, Alty, I love this post.

I'll take it a bit further, though...  It's not just that I'm being offered something, it's the goddamn attitude that I should be GRATEFUL that it's being offered, should drop whatever it is I'm doing to avidly pursue it, and how DARE I let such a golden opportunity pass by? 

Shit, I've gotten THAT bullshit attitude from guys I KNOW.  (This sort of bullshit removes you from my friend list...  If you're my buddy, and I'm currently unattached, a polite pass is a compliment, even if I'm not interested, and I'll do my damned best not to crush your ego when I turn you down...  but, get pissy about it and act like I OWED you anything because you took time out of your busy schedule to hit me up, then fuck you very much, get lost.)

Women: you're not supposed to actually want sex, you fucking whore, but by God you'd better be grateful when sex is offered to you, you fucking bitch.

(Insert massive, only partially on-topic thread about "friendzoning" here.)

[Juana]

Because women/females are like vending machines and kindness coins get you laid.

[Verbal Mike]

Except sometimes the coin-slot is a bit too tight and you have to use a meanness coin to even be able to insert your kindness coin. (cf. "negging")

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's like I said...Everyone wants to be adored, but they want to be adored by the people they adore.  These people are not interchangeable.

That's why "the friend" exists, as Nigel has said (in a different way).

[East Coast Hustle]

I dunno, I get what she's saying but really, I'd get harrassed like that too on the LA Metro.

Sure, but not quite in the same way. If you're reading and indicate no interest in the person trying to talk to you, they'd probably back off, yeah? Women/females can't bank on that.

Nope. I've had plenty of yahoos who push the conversation. TBH, I think that lumping this sort of thing under the blanket of feminism is doing feminism a disservice. This is just another piece of evidence that humans are largely ignorant shitheads regardless of gender. And before anyone trots out the "yeah, but it's SCARY when it happens to me!" trope, I've got $5 that says that if you break down the statistics of who gets assaulted by men on public transit and cross-reference with percentage of ridership by gender, you'll find that I'm WAY WAY WAY more likely to be physically assaulted by some jerkoff on the bus/train/whatever than you are.

[Juana]

Sure, men get harassed and assaulted by weirdos on public transport. Why? What are they expecting of you? Are they after your wallet or your phone number? Are they groping you? Do they follow you when you get off the train/bus/etc.?

[East Coast Hustle]

Does it matter why?

[Juana]

Absolutely. If it's the same reasons why, then, yes, you'd be correct. But I don't think they are the same reasons.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Does it matter why?

This.

Jumped is jumped, whether they're trying to fuck you or not.

[Signora Pæsior]

I dunno, I get what she's saying but really, I'd get harrassed like that too on the LA Metro.

Sure, but not quite in the same way. If you're reading and indicate no interest in the person trying to talk to you, they'd probably back off, yeah? Women/females can't bank on that.

Nope. I've had plenty of yahoos who push the conversation. TBH, I think that lumping this sort of thing under the blanket of feminism is doing feminism a disservice. This is just another piece of evidence that humans are largely ignorant shitheads regardless of gender. And before anyone trots out the "yeah, but it's SCARY when it happens to me!" trope, I've got $5 that says that if you break down the statistics of who gets assaulted by men on public transit and cross-reference with percentage of ridership by gender, you'll find that I'm WAY WAY WAY more likely to be physically assaulted by some jerkoff on the bus/train/whatever than you are.

Oh, well if you say it's not relevant to feminism...

[hooplala]