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Started by Dildo Argentino, September 18, 2012, 09:42:14 AM

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Dildo Argentino

Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 08:34:32 AM
Twid, hang on a minute! I never said you suck! You said that (in not so many words) when you were feeling bored and dejected. I said your music sucks. Big difference! There are in fact very few people of whom I think they suck (politicians and businesspeople I come into contact with in my prostitution-line, mostly). I do think people's opinions of themselves are rarely spot on. And I do think that's alright, too. Question is: does one recognise the fact that one has blind spots, and if yes (which, I think, is essential), what one does with them.

Well, ok then, how does my music suck without it reflecting on my suckitude?

Have you truly not heard of good people doing bad things? It happens. A lot.
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

Dildo Argentino

I am now the proud owner of an almost fully legit copy of your album.

However, here's a copy of the letter I sent to CDbaby, just so you know about it:

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Dear CD baby, I am in the process of changing my name be deed poll, officially. I ordered a download album from you, and put my new name in, but my credit card actually has the old name on it still. SO I think the payment is not going to clear, while the download has already happened. Please advise how I can correct this, I do wish to pay for the music.

Cheers,
Bruno
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

Dildo Argentino

I have started listening carefully. Can I have some more intel? Are these essentially live recordings, did you play all of these tracks together, in one go?
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 08:43:33 AM
Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 08:34:32 AM
Twid, hang on a minute! I never said you suck! You said that (in not so many words) when you were feeling bored and dejected. I said your music sucks. Big difference! There are in fact very few people of whom I think they suck (politicians and businesspeople I come into contact with in my prostitution-line, mostly). I do think people's opinions of themselves are rarely spot on. And I do think that's alright, too. Question is: does one recognise the fact that one has blind spots, and if yes (which, I think, is essential), what one does with them.

Well, ok then, how does my music suck without it reflecting on my suckitude?

Have you truly not heard of good people doing bad things? It happens. A lot.

a) I'd like to know how you could consider that I would do better considering that

b) I just went to the site and realized you only got like 10 second previews of the songs, which, obviously, negate any in depth critique.

I like the idea that you are giving me the benefit of the doubt. I'd like better that you spared a half hour and $6 of your time, whatever that is in GBP, to actually make a proper analysis. And after that analysis, I can tell you exactly what I am doing and to the best of my abilities, what the rest of them are.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
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Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 08:49:10 AM
I have started listening carefully. Can I have some more intel? Are these essentially live recordings, did you play all of these tracks together, in one go?

This was the order:
Live scratch.
Drums.
Bass.
Guitars.
Keys.
Vocals.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
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Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 08:45:59 AM
I am now the proud owner of an almost fully legit copy of your album.

However, here's a copy of the letter I sent to CDbaby, just so you know about it:

Quote
Dear CD baby, I am in the process of changing my name be deed poll, officially. I ordered a download album from you, and put my new name in, but my credit card actually has the old name on it still. SO I think the payment is not going to clear, while the download has already happened. Please advise how I can correct this, I do wish to pay for the music.

Cheers,
Bruno

Well, thank you.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
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Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 08:50:36 AM
Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 08:49:10 AM
I have started listening carefully. Can I have some more intel? Are these essentially live recordings, did you play all of these tracks together, in one go?

This was the order:
Live scratch.
Drums.
Bass.
Guitars.
Keys.
Vocals.

And by live scratch I mean, driving riff and vocals to a click for the drummer's direction.

For example, with Stare At The Sun, since I play both the main guitar and do the lead vocals, I did both, simultaneously to a click, to which the drummer played, and the original guitar and vocals got deleted (thank god, my voice was scratchy that day)
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
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Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 08:43:33 AM
Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 08:37:01 AM
Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 08:34:32 AM
Twid, hang on a minute! I never said you suck! You said that (in not so many words) when you were feeling bored and dejected. I said your music sucks. Big difference! There are in fact very few people of whom I think they suck (politicians and businesspeople I come into contact with in my prostitution-line, mostly). I do think people's opinions of themselves are rarely spot on. And I do think that's alright, too. Question is: does one recognise the fact that one has blind spots, and if yes (which, I think, is essential), what one does with them.

Well, ok then, how does my music suck without it reflecting on my suckitude?

Have you truly not heard of good people doing bad things? It happens. A lot.

Also, as further commentary, it is still my creative input.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
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Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Dildo Argentino

Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 08:49:15 AM
a) I'd like to know how you could consider that I would do better considering that


I think one way you could get better, should you decide to make a go of it, is to learn some wicked good songs with the band. You don't ever have to play covers in public (I see nothing wrong with it, being the omnivorous ursid I am, but I get the way some people totally refuse to do that) - it would be purely educational.

Another way: find someone whose tastes are similar to your own, but who knows more about music than you do. Get them to teach you that more.

I am writing up a detailed critique as we speak. And sorry, but the 10-second snips were quite sufficient. I know this sounds unbearably condescending and pretentious, but it isn't. I like you (you are willing to change your mind, ALWAYS a good sign). But that's just how it is.
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

Dildo Argentino

Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 08:38:58 AM
Because, it is my music, at least 20% my music, and 20% my girlfriend's and 60% my best friends'

How does this not reflect on me, as a player, and as a writer and a riffer?

It does reflect on your playing and your riffs. That does reflect on you, indirectly: but this is a perfectly human,
lovable, nothing-wrong-with-it-as-long-as-you-don't-get-stuck-in-it sort of story:

You start working on something, it looms large, it is practically all you can see, you begin to find it hard to step away from it, anyway, you have invested so much time, so much effort: sometimes, in your worst moments, it does occur to you that it's not all that hot and you could be spending your time on something else and have even more fun.... but this fun, you already have this fun... it ain't easy letting go of it... But then, as you press your dissatisfaction with your life's work out of your consciousness, it comes back the back door: generalised self-doubt, boredom, "bad thoughts"... And then, hopefully, one day you say fuck it! and either set about making that thing that's not good enough good enough, or you just chuck it and get started on something else, hopefully something that suits you better.

Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 08:49:15 AM
a) I'd like to know how you could consider that I would do better considering that


I think one way you could get better, should you decide to make a go of it, is to learn some wicked good songs with the band. You don't ever have to play covers in public (I see nothing wrong with it, being the omnivorous ursid I am, but I get the way some people totally refuse to do that) - it would be purely educational.

Another way: find someone whose tastes are similar to your own, but who knows more about music than you do. Get them to teach you that more.

I am writing up a detailed critique as we speak. And sorry, but the 10-second snips were quite sufficient. I know this sounds unbearably condescending and pretentious, but it isn't. I like you (you are willing to change your mind, ALWAYS a good sign). But that's just how it is.

Quick question.

Really quick.

How long do you think I've been playing guitar. Seriously.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
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Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 09:22:29 AM
Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 08:38:58 AM
Because, it is my music, at least 20% my music, and 20% my girlfriend's and 60% my best friends'

How does this not reflect on me, as a player, and as a writer and a riffer?

It does reflect on your playing and your riffs. That does reflect on you, indirectly: but this is a perfectly human,
lovable, nothing-wrong-with-it-as-long-as-you-don't-get-stuck-in-it sort of story:

You start working on something, it looms large, it is practically all you can see, you begin to find it hard to step away from it, anyway, you have invested so much time, so much effort: sometimes, in your worst moments, it does occur to you that it's not all that hot and you could be spending your time on something else and have even more fun.... but this fun, you already have this fun... it ain't easy letting go of it... But then, as you press your dissatisfaction with your life's work out of your consciousness, it comes back the back door: generalised self-doubt, boredom, "bad thoughts"... And then, hopefully, one day you say fuck it! and either set about making that thing that's not good enough good enough, or you just chuck it and get started on something else, hopefully something that suits you better.

I've pretty much pinned down the source of my boredom.

It's called spending too much fucking time in my room in winter. That is all there is to it.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
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Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Nephew Twiddleton

Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 09:24:17 AM
Quote from: holist on December 07, 2012, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 08:49:15 AM
a) I'd like to know how you could consider that I would do better considering that


I think one way you could get better, should you decide to make a go of it, is to learn some wicked good songs with the band. You don't ever have to play covers in public (I see nothing wrong with it, being the omnivorous ursid I am, but I get the way some people totally refuse to do that) - it would be purely educational.

Another way: find someone whose tastes are similar to your own, but who knows more about music than you do. Get them to teach you that more.

I am writing up a detailed critique as we speak. And sorry, but the 10-second snips were quite sufficient. I know this sounds unbearably condescending and pretentious, but it isn't. I like you (you are willing to change your mind, ALWAYS a good sign). But that's just how it is.

Quick question.

Really quick.

How long do you think I've been playing guitar. Seriously.

Here's a hint. I actually don't know off the top of my head. Let me do some math based on my current age.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
Sentence or sentence fragment pending

Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Nephew Twiddleton

Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
Sentence or sentence fragment pending

Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

Dildo Argentino

Quote from: ho|ist on December 07, 2012, 09:24:17 AM
Quick question.

Really quick.

How long do you think I've been playing guitar. Seriously.

By the sound of it, it could be 20 years or more - or it could be a year. Less if you are unusually dexterous with fast reflexes. But nobody ever really taught you how to practice. And surprisingly few people actually know, not to mention the fact that to a significant extent it is a personal thing.
Not too keen on rigor, myself - reminds me of mortis