Shooting at CT Elementary School. WTF AMERICA?!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I am in serious danger of having an idea, here.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What's especially funny is that when I made a series of posts undermining my own earlier arguments, people COULD NOT SEE THE POSTS.

Too much ouch on the old 2d circuit.

Ideas that are really uncomfortable often become invisible.

This is a beautiful layman rephrasing of "cognitive dissonance".

I work with children. I can rephrase things like a motherfucker.

I like it because the thing most people forget is that the phrase includes the process of resolution.  People don't just go around dissonantly cognitive (at least not for any reasonable amount of time).  They find the easiest path towards resolution, and often that is, "it never happened."

Yep.  Skills learned at 3 years old can serve you your entire life.   

[LMNO]

I am in serious danger of having an idea, here.

I have no idea why I used that emote, except for the fact that I don't think it's ever been used on this forum.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Funny thing with the original topic...

The 2nd amendment spells out the right of individuals to bear arms, with the justfication in the explanitory clause being that they can therefore operate in a GROUP known as a "militia".



There's something down this fucking rabbit hole.  I just have to keep digging.

[Don Coyote]

What's especially funny is that when I made a series of posts undermining my own earlier arguments, people COULD NOT SEE THE POSTS.

Too much ouch on the old 2d circuit.

Ideas that are really uncomfortable often become invisible.

This is a beautiful layman rephrasing of "cognitive dissonance".

I work with children. I can rephrase things like a motherfucker.

I like it because the thing most people forget is that the phrase includes the process of resolution.  People don't just go around dissonantly cognitive (at least not for any reasonable amount of time).  They find the easiest path towards resolution, and often that is, "it never happened."

What's especially funny is that when I made a series of posts undermining my own earlier arguments, people COULD NOT SEE THE POSTS.

Too much ouch on the old 2d circuit.

Ideas that are really uncomfortable often become invisible.

This is a beautiful layman rephrasing of "cognitive dissonance".

I work with children. I can rephrase things like a motherfucker.

And now cognitive dissonance has taken on a slightly different meaning.

How so?

The thing is, I think I know which posts Roger is talking about in this thread, the ones that got ignored, but to me a lot of things that might cause cognitive dissonance sort of don't? By that I mean, I ignored those posts, not because I didn't see them or read them, but because I agreed with them but did not know how to address that, or even if it would merit that. This also applies to lots of points that I disagree with, that I never address.

So maybe, cognitive dissonance might be that thing that keeps people bottled up in their head on the things that they do not know how to (dis)agree with.

[Cain]

That sounds suspiciously collectivist.  Real Randian superheroes fucking Rambo it, and don't need no stinking communist "militia" to back them up.

[Don Coyote]

Funny thing with the original topic...

The 2nd amendment spells out the right of individuals to bear arms, with the justfication in the explanitory clause being that they can therefore operate in a GROUP known as a "militia".



There's something down this fucking rabbit hole.  I just have to keep digging.

That just made my fucking hurt even more.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Funny thing with the original topic...

The 2nd amendment spells out the right of individuals to bear arms, with the justfication in the explanitory clause being that they can therefore operate in a GROUP known as a "militia".



There's something down this fucking rabbit hole.  I just have to keep digging.

That just made my fucking hurt even more.

See, here's the thing.  We're primates.  The only "individuals" in the primate world are those driven out of the pack.

Now, I'm NOT saying that people shouldn't think for themselves, or that we should all engage in 100% pack mentality, but I AM saying that the DEFAULT position is pack thinking.

And I think I'm also saying that being driven out of the pack CAN be a GOOD thing, under certain circumstances...But that being said, you are most often going to have one unhappy, dysfunctional primate.

And maybe a small percentage of those unhappy, dysfunctional primates do things like go on shooting sprees.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I am in serious danger of having an idea, here.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

What's especially funny is that when I made a series of posts undermining my own earlier arguments, people COULD NOT SEE THE POSTS.

Too much ouch on the old 2d circuit.

Ideas that are really uncomfortable often become invisible.

This is a beautiful layman rephrasing of "cognitive dissonance".

I work with children. I can rephrase things like a motherfucker.

I like it because the thing most people forget is that the phrase includes the process of resolution.  People don't just go around dissonantly cognitive (at least not for any reasonable amount of time).  They find the easiest path towards resolution, and often that is, "it never happened."

Yep.  Skills learned at 3 years old can serve you your entire life.   

Last term's psych prof talked about cognitive dissonance as being a recognizable sign that you have an opportunity for learning, and how important that is. I liked it.

[Don Coyote]

Funny thing with the original topic...

The 2nd amendment spells out the right of individuals to bear arms, with the justfication in the explanitory clause being that they can therefore operate in a GROUP known as a "militia".



There's something down this fucking rabbit hole.  I just have to keep digging.

That just made my fucking hurt even more.

See, here's the thing.  We're primates.  The only "individuals" in the primate world are those driven out of the pack.

Now, I'm NOT saying that people shouldn't think for themselves, or that we should all engage in 100% pack mentality, but I AM saying that the DEFAULT position is pack thinking.

And I think I'm also saying that being driven out of the pack CAN be a GOOD thing, under certain circumstances...But that being said, you are most often going to have one unhappy, dysfunctional primate.

And maybe a small percentage of those unhappy, dysfunctional primates do things like go on shooting sprees.

MUST RECONCILE NEED TO BE NOT THEM WITH NEED TO BE PART OF THEM

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Funny thing with the original topic...

The 2nd amendment spells out the right of individuals to bear arms, with the justfication in the explanitory clause being that they can therefore operate in a GROUP known as a "militia".



There's something down this fucking rabbit hole.  I just have to keep digging.

That just made my fucking hurt even more.

See, here's the thing.  We're primates.  The only "individuals" in the primate world are those driven out of the pack.

Now, I'm NOT saying that people shouldn't think for themselves, or that we should all engage in 100% pack mentality, but I AM saying that the DEFAULT position is pack thinking.

And I think I'm also saying that being driven out of the pack CAN be a GOOD thing, under certain circumstances...But that being said, you are most often going to have one unhappy, dysfunctional primate.

And maybe a small percentage of those unhappy, dysfunctional primates do things like go on shooting sprees.

MUST RECONCILE NEED TO BE NOT THEM WITH NEED TO BE PART OF THEM

And that's the fucking beauty of it.  It's a false dichotomy.  You can be BOTH part of the pack and an individual.  In fact, you kind of HAVE to be both.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

In other words, the question isn't "how can I be an individual and not part of the pack", but "How can I be an individual while remaining part of the pack."

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Funny thing with the original topic...

The 2nd amendment spells out the right of individuals to bear arms, with the justfication in the explanitory clause being that they can therefore operate in a GROUP known as a "militia".



There's something down this fucking rabbit hole.  I just have to keep digging.

That just made my fucking hurt even more.

See, here's the thing.  We're primates.  The only "individuals" in the primate world are those driven out of the pack.

Now, I'm NOT saying that people shouldn't think for themselves, or that we should all engage in 100% pack mentality, but I AM saying that the DEFAULT position is pack thinking.

And I think I'm also saying that being driven out of the pack CAN be a GOOD thing, under certain circumstances...But that being said, you are most often going to have one unhappy, dysfunctional primate.

And maybe a small percentage of those unhappy, dysfunctional primates do things like go on shooting sprees.

Absolutely... it relates to Durkheim and his studies on suicide. Anomie is a terrible, powerful driver.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Funny thing with the original topic...

The 2nd amendment spells out the right of individuals to bear arms, with the justfication in the explanitory clause being that they can therefore operate in a GROUP known as a "militia".



There's something down this fucking rabbit hole.  I just have to keep digging.

That just made my fucking hurt even more.

See, here's the thing.  We're primates.  The only "individuals" in the primate world are those driven out of the pack.

Now, I'm NOT saying that people shouldn't think for themselves, or that we should all engage in 100% pack mentality, but I AM saying that the DEFAULT position is pack thinking.

And I think I'm also saying that being driven out of the pack CAN be a GOOD thing, under certain circumstances...But that being said, you are most often going to have one unhappy, dysfunctional primate.

And maybe a small percentage of those unhappy, dysfunctional primates do things like go on shooting sprees.

MUST RECONCILE NEED TO BE NOT THEM WITH NEED TO BE PART OF THEM

And that's the fucking beauty of it.  It's a false dichotomy.  You can be BOTH part of the pack and an individual.  In fact, you kind of HAVE to be both.

YES.