Newage Sewage Scum

[Salty]

The placebo effect fascinates me.

An anaesthesiologist I spoke with talked about a study done on the effect using needles.

One group was given injections of medicine, one with a placebo, and one group was on pierced with a dry needle. All groups had at least some positive results

Sorry in don't have a link, anecdotal. She also mention a stud with ipikak (sp?) syrup, which induced vomiting. Patience experiencing chronic naseau were given doses and.told.it would relieve their symptoms. Patients reported relief from nausea with vomit inducing syrup.

SOMETHING happens and whatever it is it is IMPORTANT.

BUT we don't know as much as wed like, and its not okay, IMO, to make strides in capital gains using this darkness in human understanding.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The placebo effect fascinates me.

An anaesthesiologist I spoke with talked about a study done on the effect using needles.

One group was given injections of medicine, one with a placebo, and one group was on pierced with a dry needle. All groups had at least some positive results

Sorry in don't have a link, anecdotal. She also mention a stud with ipikak (sp?) syrup, which induced vomiting. Patience experiencing chronic naseau were given doses and.told.it would relieve their symptoms. Patients reported relief from nausea with vomit inducing syrup.

SOMETHING happens and whatever it is it is IMPORTANT.

BUT we don't know as much as wed like, and its not okay, IMO, to make strides in capital gains using this darkness in human understanding.

ARE YOU THREATENING ME?
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[Salty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZtbuj7swPk&feature=player_embedded

Um.

I love this man so much I just grew ovaries.

Sheeeeeit. I know where my next $1300 are going.

Gimmie the magic!

[Salty]

The placebo effect fascinates me.

An anaesthesiologist I spoke with talked about a study done on the effect using needles.

One group was given injections of medicine, one with a placebo, and one group was on pierced with a dry needle. All groups had at least some positive results

Sorry in don't have a link, anecdotal. She also mention a stud with ipikak (sp?) syrup, which induced vomiting. Patience experiencing chronic naseau were given doses and.told.it would relieve their symptoms. Patients reported relief from nausea with vomit inducing syrup.

SOMETHING happens and whatever it is it is IMPORTANT.

BUT we don't know as much as wed like, and its not okay, IMO, to make strides in capital gains using this darkness in human understanding.

ARE YOU THREATENING ME?
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[Salty]

There are many anectodes out there, a whole fuckton many, about people who healed themselves with this discipline or that discipline, "cured" their cancer, or stopped chronic fatigue syndrome or pretty much any illness you can think of.

Many more people just die.

But it still fascinates me. I'll have to do a whole post on Dan Milman and Way of the Peaceful Warrior. Oh what fun we'll all have.

If half the stories these people who charge too much damned money tell are true, there certainly is something in pursuing these thoughts, PROVIDED, they lead to practical application.

Yoga, for example, is simply worthless if you do not take the time to practice. And even a small, internal exercise done daily can have a profound impact on your life. And its YOUR job to do the practicing.

Guru, I think, means "one who points". In what direction? From what perspective? To what end?

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

What gets me about the new age philosophy isn't so much the filling in the gaps with bullshit. People who are big fans of science and even many who study it will grossly exaggerate the known and wildly under-represent the unknown. It's extremely difficult not to. Our brains don't grasp probabilities or degrees of confidence very well. If we really were concerned about being scientifically accurate about everything we'd never stop clarifying even a single expression. We'd all get sucked into a black hole of ignorance and uncertainty.

What bothers me is this perverse concept of "peacefulness". The belief that being calm and unemotional in the face of a system that was built and still runs on depravity is somehow spiritual or good is obscene. That "peacefulness" is some people's highest goal in life is utterly disgusting to me.

Getting angry is like a preemptive war, man.
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Dude, srsly, that's how wars start—negativism.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

The placebo effect fascinates me.

An anaesthesiologist I spoke with talked about a study done on the effect using needles.

One group was given injections of medicine, one with a placebo, and one group was on pierced with a dry needle. All groups had at least some positive results

Sorry in don't have a link, anecdotal. She also mention a stud with ipikak (sp?) syrup, which induced vomiting. Patience experiencing chronic naseau were given doses and.told.it would relieve their symptoms. Patients reported relief from nausea with vomit inducing syrup.

SOMETHING happens and whatever it is it is IMPORTANT.

BUT we don't know as much as wed like, and its not okay, IMO, to make strides in capital gains using this darkness in human understanding.

Yeah, I really wish there was more good science on placebo (and nocebo), but nobody ever wants to fund research on it

[P3nT4gR4m]

The problem (I think) with exploiting the placebo effect is that it's based on misdirection and deception which raises ethical issues. Is it right to give people not-painkillers and charge them for painkillers? And how do you advertise it?

"Would you like morpine or tapwater and a cock and bull story while we saw your leg off?"

[Golden Applesauce]

The problem (I think) with exploiting the placebo effect is that it's based on misdirection and deception which raises ethical issues. Is it right to give people not-painkillers and charge them for painkillers? And how do you advertise it?

"Would you like morpine or tapwater and a cock and bull story while we saw your leg off?"

The crazy thing is that it might not be. Hypnosis totally works, and I wouldn't characterize it as deception. You're fully aware that you're being hypnotized, but when the hypnotist tells you you're becoming very hot, you physically sweat more.

I know I've seen at least one study on the placebo effect where X treatment + a placebo that the patient was told was a placebo vs. X treatment that showed statistically significant benefit for the placebo.

There's different levels of belief, and the endocrine system doesn't operate at the same level as intentional thought. Certain kinds of Christians might truly honestly believe that they have an immortal soul and a guaranteed place in Heaven... but they still do the whole drowning panic response thing if you baptize them too hard. Afterwards, they'll thank the people holding them underwater and apologize if their body, seconds ago engaged in a life and death struggle for oxygen, injured one of them. S&M still works - works best according to the people who practice it - when there's a strong bond of love and trust between the top and bottom. Knowing that his partner won't actually murder him doesn't prevent a fear response / stimulation when the top pulls out a knife. It's apparently as arousing as all get out.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

There's something about the moustache that adds an odd level of self satisfaction here.

The WOMP potential for this is STAGGERING. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

The problem (I think) with exploiting the placebo effect is that it's based on misdirection and deception which raises ethical issues. Is it right to give people not-painkillers and charge them for painkillers? And how do you advertise it?

"Would you like morpine or tapwater and a cock and bull story while we saw your leg off?"

The crazy thing is that it might not be. Hypnosis totally works, and I wouldn't characterize it as deception. You're fully aware that you're being hypnotized, but when the hypnotist tells you you're becoming very hot, you physically sweat more.

I know I've seen at least one study on the placebo effect where X treatment + a placebo that the patient was told was a placebo vs. X treatment that showed statistically significant benefit for the placebo.

There's different levels of belief, and the endocrine system doesn't operate at the same level as intentional thought. Certain kinds of Christians might truly honestly believe that they have an immortal soul and a guaranteed place in Heaven... but they still do the whole drowning panic response thing if you baptize them too hard. Afterwards, they'll thank the people holding them underwater and apologize if their body, seconds ago engaged in a life and death struggle for oxygen, injured one of them. S&M still works - works best according to the people who practice it - when there's a strong bond of love and trust between the top and bottom. Knowing that his partner won't actually murder him doesn't prevent a fear response / stimulation when the top pulls out a knife. It's apparently as arousing as all get out.

Made me lol out loud "Why are you holding your breath and freaking out?", "I was baptised too hard as a child"

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZtbuj7swPk&feature=player_embedded

Um.

I love this man so much I just grew ovaries.

[LMNO]

How much bullshit is an acceptable amount if it produces a beneficial effect?

It produces the same beneficial effect if you scrap the bullshit and call it what it is, though.

Like how certain poses can build confidence and make you more outgoing and likable not because of letting your chi flow, but because they trigger the brain to produce hormones that relax you and make you more confident and outgoing.

Like how having your titties sucked on isn't pleasurable and relaxing because of a magical psychic bond between mother and child, but because it triggers the brain to release relaxing and pleasurable chemicals into your body.

Knowing the real reason things work doesn't make them stop working, so there's really no reason to cling to the woo.

Well, it seems I've found my next line of business personal developmet and wellness clinics. 


A bunch of people standing around, sucking on each other's titties.

[Junkenstein]

That sounds doomed to terrible success.

I wish you well.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

How much bullshit is an acceptable amount if it produces a beneficial effect?

It produces the same beneficial effect if you scrap the bullshit and call it what it is, though.

Like how certain poses can build confidence and make you more outgoing and likable not because of letting your chi flow, but because they trigger the brain to produce hormones that relax you and make you more confident and outgoing.

Like how having your titties sucked on isn't pleasurable and relaxing because of a magical psychic bond between mother and child, but because it triggers the brain to release relaxing and pleasurable chemicals into your body.

Knowing the real reason things work doesn't make them stop working, so there's really no reason to cling to the woo.

Well, it seems I've found my next line of business personal developmet and wellness clinics. 


A bunch of people standing around, sucking on each other's titties.

I VOTE YES.