People who don't like children

[Roly Poly Oly-Garch]

I like it when little kids scream in public places if only because adults don't scream enough.

THIS.

Seconded.

...And thirded.

I'm of no use to this hypothesis because I generally like kids more than I like adults--err...I like interacting with kids more than I like interacting with adults. I enjoyed my childhood for the most part, but I grew up more than a little scared of adults. I still get "bad-reads" on adults, the results of which range from simple social paralysis, to full on paranoid delusions. This *never* happens with kids. In fact, at parties and such, if I'm feeling anxious and there are kids there, I'll often slink off with them. For some reason pretending like I'm a robot, acting goofy, kicking a ball around, whatever, seems to make a lot more sense to me, usually, than trying to figure out what the fuck to say to this strange woman who may or may not be subliminally fucking with me.

I'm not sure you can just flip that pathology (whatever the flip-side of that may be) and then just apply it to people who don't like children...but could be something there.

[Salty]

I just want to add to my original statement that I had a very unpleasant time interacting with people all the way up until my pd reg date, for the most part. All i can remember from my peers during childhood os horrible, violent, cruel, etc. I could go on and on about the minute amd various ways people have tormented me.

Being picked on is one thing, being so god damned weird that even the loser kids uses you like a community punching bag is something else.

I have such deep distrust of human beings because they showed me all of their nasty nature all at once, without the filters of "manners" and the societal pressures adulthood amd am awareness of a larger world bring.

Children will torture each other as soon as they have motivation and opporunity, or are jist bored.

And yet, I like kids. So, i dunno, just thought that was somewhat pertinent.

*shrug*

[Salty]

My first memory of dealing with a group of children involved some kid I didnt know kicking sand into my face when I was 4. He was running, stopped and looked at me, and then sent sand flying. Pretty much all of early peer related memories are like that.

But, you know, babies are adorable.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Having raised two sprogs of my own, my personal peeves are:

1.  People who give parents shit about their kid crying on an airplane (they can't take the kid outside, and they can't do shit about the pressure changes).

2.  People who let their kids run wild in stores, etc, and/or allow the kid to make a scene when the kid doesn't get the impulse item of their choice at the register.

3.  People who try to outlaw any fun thing a kid might want to do (rollerblade, skateboard, etc), simply on account of DAMN KIDS.

4.  People who get offended when a woman breast feeds.  It's biology, you stupid bastards, deal with it.  And NO, LMNO, YOU DO NOT GET TO ASK FOR A SAMPLE.

On point 2, I had to do that once...just once. Somehow my daughter had gotten it in her head that pitching a fit in the middle of the store would provoke a response (positive or negative, she didn't give a shit...she is her father's daughter). She warned me she was going to do it, "Well what if I start screaming?"

"Go right the fuck ahead," I said...

AND SHE FUCKING DID.

So I'm standing there in the middle of a crowded ass store staring dispassionately at this wailing 3-year-old who was pissed off cause I denied her some trinket she desparately needed to go on living, and all I really had short of dragging her ass out of there (which would have been inconsistent with my cockamamie ideas about parenting), was to say, "wow, you certainly are making quite a scene of yourself right now."

The upside was that shit like that, you only ever have to do once. The downside, dear lord, did I ever want to shrink away and hide.

And sometimes what looks, to the uninitiated, like bad parenting, is actually good parenting.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I like it when little kids scream in public places if only because adults don't scream enough.

THIS.

Seconded.

...And thirded.

I'm of no use to this hypothesis because I generally like kids more than I like adults--err...I like interacting with kids more than I like interacting with adults. I enjoyed my childhood for the most part, but I grew up more than a little scared of adults. I still get "bad-reads" on adults, the results of which range from simple social paralysis, to full on paranoid delusions. This *never* happens with kids. In fact, at parties and such, if I'm feeling anxious and there are kids there, I'll often slink off with them. For some reason pretending like I'm a robot, acting goofy, kicking a ball around, whatever, seems to make a lot more sense to me, usually, than trying to figure out what the fuck to say to this strange woman who may or may not be subliminally fucking with me.

I'm not sure you can just flip that pathology (whatever the flip-side of that may be) and then just apply it to people who don't like children...but could be something there.

It makes perfect sense, and I've seen something similar in a lot of people who had good peer relationships and enjoyed their childhood but had a hard time with adults, so yeah, I think it's probably related.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I just want to add to my original statement that I had a very unpleasant time interacting with people all the way up until my pd reg date, for the most part. All i can remember from my peers during childhood os horrible, violent, cruel, etc. I could go on and on about the minute amd various ways people have tormented me.

Being picked on is one thing, being so god damned weird that even the loser kids uses you like a community punching bag is something else.

I have such deep distrust of human beings because they showed me all of their nasty nature all at once, without the filters of "manners" and the societal pressures adulthood amd am awareness of a larger world bring.

Children will torture each other as soon as they have motivation and opporunity, or are jist bored.

And yet, I like kids. So, i dunno, just thought that was somewhat pertinent.

*shrug*

That is pertinent, and interesting.

Just out of curiosity, how did your parents treat you? Did you feel valued by them?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

My first memory of dealing with a group of children involved some kid I didnt know kicking sand into my face when I was 4. He was running, stopped and looked at me, and then sent sand flying. Pretty much all of early peer related memories are like that.

But, you know, babies are adorable.

Have you seen the studies on children and violent behavior? Kids start out violent, and get less violent as they get older.

[Salty]

I just want to add to my original statement that I had a very unpleasant time interacting with people all the way up until my pd reg date, for the most part. All i can remember from my peers during childhood os horrible, violent, cruel, etc. I could go on and on about the minute amd various ways people have tormented me.

Being picked on is one thing, being so god damned weird that even the loser kids uses you like a community punching bag is something else.

I have such deep distrust of human beings because they showed me all of their nasty nature all at once, without the filters of "manners" and the societal pressures adulthood amd am awareness of a larger world bring.

Children will torture each other as soon as they have motivation and opporunity, or are jist bored.

And yet, I like kids. So, i dunno, just thought that was somewhat pertinent.

*shrug*

That is pertinent, and interesting.

Just out of curiosity, how did your parents treat you? Did you feel valued by them?

My mom was good to me, but absent, unsupported, working, and unaware and ill equipped to notice certain things. My dad treated me with less enthusiasm than people hold toward, say, lamps. Lamps serve a purpose, after all.

My first memory of dealing with a group of children involved some kid I didnt know kicking sand into my face when I was 4. He was running, stopped and looked at me, and then sent sand flying. Pretty much all of early peer related memories are like that.

But, you know, babies are adorable.

Have you seen the studies on children and violent behavior? Kids start out violent, and get less violent as they get older.

I have not, but would have liked to know that info from about the age of 5 on. That would have actually comforted me.

Fortunately, you spags helped pull me out of that horrible spiral of misanthropy, fear, and weak hate toward humans.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I just want to add to my original statement that I had a very unpleasant time interacting with people all the way up until my pd reg date, for the most part. All i can remember from my peers during childhood os horrible, violent, cruel, etc. I could go on and on about the minute amd various ways people have tormented me.

Being picked on is one thing, being so god damned weird that even the loser kids uses you like a community punching bag is something else.

I have such deep distrust of human beings because they showed me all of their nasty nature all at once, without the filters of "manners" and the societal pressures adulthood amd am awareness of a larger world bring.

Children will torture each other as soon as they have motivation and opporunity, or are jist bored.

And yet, I like kids. So, i dunno, just thought that was somewhat pertinent.

*shrug*

That is pertinent, and interesting.

Just out of curiosity, how did your parents treat you? Did you feel valued by them?

My mom was good to me, but absent, unsupported, working, and unaware and ill equipped to notice certain things. My dad treated me with less enthusiasm than people hold toward, say, lamps. Lamps serve a purpose, after all.

My first memory of dealing with a group of children involved some kid I didnt know kicking sand into my face when I was 4. He was running, stopped and looked at me, and then sent sand flying. Pretty much all of early peer related memories are like that.

But, you know, babies are adorable.

Have you seen the studies on children and violent behavior? Kids start out violent, and get less violent as they get older.

I have not, but would have liked to know that info from about the age of 5 on. That would have actually comforted me.

Fortunately, you spags helped pull me out of that horrible spiral of misanthropy, fear, and weak hate toward humans.

Interesting!

I was trying to find the studies, but had a hard time because, um, well just imagine what happens when you search any of the conceivable associated keywords. I'll see if maybe it's still in my Dropbox from last term.

[Salty]

That would be cool, thanks.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

There are awesome videos of toddler fights. Those fuckers are VICIOUS.