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Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, August 23, 2013, 10:47:02 PM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

It has been stewing in the back of my brain for some time now that there is something interesting going on with people who dislike children. I'm not talking about people who are simply uncomfortable with kids, or don't know how to handle them, or who don't want kids of their own. I'm talking about people who express an arbitrary contempt and/or aversion towards all people below the age at which they are able to have articulate adult conversations.

I wonder if it has something to do with self-loathing, with hating their own child selves, rooted in a lack of nurturing, love, and respect shown to them by adult figures in their lives; a sort of self-defensive move. Perhaps their child-selves felt rejected, and to ease their cognitive dissonance and preserve a sense of worth, they unconsciously adapted by forming a belief that it is not that they were rejected because they, individually, were unlovable, but because children are not worth loving. Almost unvaryingly, these same people fail to express liking, compassion, or respect for their own child-selves.

I can't seem to find any research on this, wondering if it's something I should explore at some point.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Good Reverend Roger

I think a lot of it is resentment about getting old.

Jealousy is a terrible thing.

Just my untrained opinion.
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Freeky

Quote from: FOCUS GROUP RAGEMONKEY OF HATE HATE HATE on August 23, 2013, 10:47:02 PM
It has been stewing in the back of my brain for some time now that there is something interesting going on with people who dislike children. I'm not talking about people who are simply uncomfortable with kids, or don't know how to handle them, or who don't want kids of their own. I'm talking about people who express an arbitrary contempt and/or aversion towards all people below the age at which they are able to have articulate adult conversations.

I wonder if it has something to do with self-loathing, with hating their own child selves, rooted in a lack of nurturing, love, and respect shown to them by adult figures in their lives; a sort of self-defensive move. Perhaps their child-selves felt rejected, and to ease their cognitive dissonance and preserve a sense of worth, they unconsciously adapted by forming a belief that it is not that they were rejected because they, individually, were unlovable, but because children are not worth loving. Almost unvaryingly, these same people fail to express liking, compassion, or respect for their own child-selves.

I can't seem to find any research on this, wondering if it's something I should explore at some point.

That sounds plausible. 

The Good Reverend Roger

On the other hand, this got me thinking.  I now have some reading to do this weekend.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 23, 2013, 10:48:15 PM
I think a lot of it is resentment about getting old.

Jealousy is a terrible thing.

Just my untrained opinion.

I don't think so, and the reason I don't think so is because everyone I have ever met who actively dislikes children, I met when they were young, and they started out with disliking themselves.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: FOCUS GROUP RAGEMONKEY OF HATE HATE HATE on August 23, 2013, 10:59:09 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 23, 2013, 10:48:15 PM
I think a lot of it is resentment about getting old.

Jealousy is a terrible thing.

Just my untrained opinion.

I don't think so, and the reason I don't think so is because everyone I have ever met who actively dislikes children, I met when they were young, and they started out with disliking themselves.

I can see that.  I can't think about it now, because Larry's talking at me while I read & type.

I will do some googling this weekend.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Nephew Twiddleton

It seems pretty plausible and something worthy of researching he it hasnt been looked into yet. 
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Nephew Twiddleton

I also suspect that some people who say they dont like children are thinking something akin to saying i dont like people with cellphones when they mean i dont like it when people yell at their sexual partner on the phone in the middle of the street.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Aloha Ackbar on August 23, 2013, 11:08:36 PM
I also suspect that some people who say they dont like children are thinking something akin to saying i dont like people with cellphones when they mean i dont like it when people yell at their sexual partner on the phone in the middle of the street.

Right, I'm talking about something far more specific than that, which is why I specifically said:

QuoteI'm not talking about people who are simply uncomfortable with kids, or don't know how to handle them, or who don't want kids of their own. I'm talking about people who express an arbitrary contempt and/or aversion towards all people below the age at which they are able to have articulate adult conversations.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

You know the sort... the kind who proclaim their disgust at the mere idea of being in the same building with a child. The ones who call children "disgusting" or "stupid".

It occurs to me that these behaviors have an awful lot in common with homophobia.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Nephew Twiddleton

Right right. Sorry about that. Brain fog.
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Sir Squid Diddimus

Homophobia? Like they are similar traits? The hate?

I dislike children. They make me uncomfortable. And I hated myself as a child.
This is an interesting thing I think you should look into.


LMNO

May I suggest that at one point or another, EVERY person hated their childhood?

Not to derail your thesis, but childhood sucking seems to be fairly universal.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on August 24, 2013, 06:25:26 AM
Homophobia? Like they are similar traits? The hate?

I dislike children. They make me uncomfortable. And I hated myself as a child.
This is an interesting thing I think you should look into.

Yeah, like maybe there are some similarities in redirecting a sort of self-hating outward. It makes me wonder. I was very uncomfortable with children (and disliked my child self) until I'd been through a particularly relevant spot of therapy.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 24, 2013, 08:35:42 AM
May I suggest that at one point or another, EVERY person hated their childhood?

Not to derail your thesis, but childhood sucking seems to be fairly universal.

But then there's the people who hated their ENTIRE childhood.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.