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Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, September 30, 2013, 06:18:12 PM

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Cramulus

#135
October 03, 2013, 08:55:52 PM
the signal keeps coming, yes

but the internet is a little bit different now; you're not on it anymore



so the signal does change

The Good Reverend Roger

#136
October 03, 2013, 09:07:56 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 03, 2013, 08:23:34 PM
Here's my belief system of the day, please dismantle it

Naw.

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#137
October 03, 2013, 09:10:34 PM
But in this metaphor, the signal isn't sentient. So what we're describing as "conciousness" or possible "soul" is strictly in the realm of the living carrier. Which is functionally no different than saying "when you die, that's it."

It's the same as the Thermodynamic argument-- energy can't be created or destroyed, so "your" energy continues. But energy isn't sentient either. So there is no "you" that endures.

tyrannosaurus vex

#138
October 03, 2013, 09:18:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 03, 2013, 09:10:34 PM
But in this metaphor, the signal isn't sentient. So what we're describing as "conciousness" or possible "soul" is strictly in the realm of the living carrier. Which is functionally no different than saying "when you die, that's it."

It's the same as the Thermodynamic argument-- energy can't be created or destroyed, so "your" energy continues. But energy isn't sentient either. So there is no "you" that endures.

Which is the basis of my question about whether it's possible to "develop" an awareness of that more fundamental state of being. We give Buddhists and hippies a whole lot of shit for their constant "everything is One" spiel, but maybe there's something useful to that. If we can tap into that energy and become aware of it in a strongly personal sense, then at the very least it would provide a way to see everything as basically an outward expression of a higher truth that can't be altered.
Evil and Unfeeling Arse-Flenser From The City of the Damned.

Cramulus

#139
October 03, 2013, 09:20:06 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on October 03, 2013, 09:10:34 PM
But in this metaphor, the signal isn't sentient. So what we're describing as "conciousness" or possible "soul" is strictly in the realm of the living carrier. Which is functionally no different than saying "when you die, that's it."

It's the same as the Thermodynamic argument-- energy can't be created or destroyed, so "your" energy continues. But energy isn't sentient either. So there is no "you" that endures.

notice I didn't say anything about the soul!

In this model, consciousness is the interplay between the individual hardware and the, I dunno what to call it, whatever is sending the signal. Everything else in the universe.

And I would say that the self is both the signal and the hardware. When you die, the hardware is done, your subjective experiences are over, and that part of the self is dead. But the signal which provided the input for You is still being sent everywhere, all the time.


The Good Reverend Roger

#140
October 03, 2013, 09:22:30 PM
<--- Map   Territory ---->

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cramulus

#141
October 03, 2013, 09:27:38 PM

The Good Reverend Roger

#142
October 03, 2013, 09:29:19 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 03, 2013, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 03, 2013, 09:07:56 PM

Naw.



Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 03, 2013, 09:22:30 PM
<--- Map   Territory ---->



it's almost like you have something to say  :lol:

Naw.  You'd just keep talking around me anyway, like you've been doing all day.

So, you know, I'll just stick with

" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Anna Mae Bollocks

#143
October 03, 2013, 09:35:16 PM
If you ask me if there's something beyond what I can get my puny brain around and call that "God" or whatever, then yeah, I believe.
If you ask me if I believe in a sky daddy spun from peoples' misunderstanding of badly translated Hebrew texts, then no. Fuck no.
Scantily-Clad Inspector of Gigantic and Unnecessary Cashews, Texas Division

The Good Reverend Roger

#144
October 03, 2013, 09:36:27 PM
Quote from: stelz on October 03, 2013, 09:35:16 PM
If you ask me if there's something beyond what I can get my puny brain around and call that "God" or whatever, then yeah, I believe.
If you ask me if I believe in a sky daddy spun from peoples' misunderstanding of badly translated Hebrew texts, then no. Fuck no.

I'm reasonably certain it's not a server room, either.   :lol:

Anyway, 800-4000 years of recopying and/or translating MAY have SLIGHTLY upped the error factor.  Just a smidge.

:lulz:
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cramulus

#145
October 03, 2013, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 03, 2013, 09:29:19 PM
Naw.  You'd just keep talking around me anyway, like you've been doing all day.

So, you know, I'll just stick with



:?

I'm ignoring you? That's news to me.

And in response to this perceived offense, you've decided to shit on my posts?

that's great, thank you


The Good Reverend Roger

#146
October 03, 2013, 09:41:32 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 03, 2013, 09:39:41 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 03, 2013, 09:29:19 PM
Naw.  You'd just keep talking around me anyway, like you've been doing all day.

So, you know, I'll just stick with



:?

I'm ignoring you? That's news to me.

And in response to this perceived offense, you've decided to shit on my posts?

that's great, thank you

I AM REALLY SLOW.  I CAN BE TREATED IN ANY MANNER YOU SEE FIT, AND IF I *DO* HAVE A QUICK MOMENT AND PICK UP ON IT, YOU CAN JUST CLAIM THAT IT'S ALL IN MY HEAD.
\
:whack: <--- kinda stupid, doncha know.

Oh, and you're welcome.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Cramulus

#147
October 03, 2013, 09:43:54 PM
no honestly, what the fuck are you talking about

if I was a dick, let me know what I did and I'll be happy to apologize

right now I am in the dark about why you're being personally rude me.

The Good Reverend Roger

#148
October 03, 2013, 09:51:38 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 03, 2013, 09:43:54 PM
no honestly, what the fuck are you talking about

if I was a dick, let me know what I did and I'll be happy to apologize

right now I am in the dark about why you're being personally rude me.

I spoke to you multiple times throughout the day.  I was not worth responding to, from what I can gather.  This is disappointing, because I was rather hoping all that shit was behind us.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#149
October 03, 2013, 10:22:26 PM
In any case, I feel I've made my point.  I will stop spagging Nigel's thread up, now.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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