Open Bar: We're going to build a bar, and make the drinks pay for it!

[PoFP]

Had a coworker argue with me to the end of the Earth, today, that programming, web development/design, and other obviously IT fields "aren't IT jobs" because they aren't in networking/communications. He had somehow come to the conclusion that his 2 years of college trumped the dictionary definition of the word.

I advised him that one didn't need a college education to read the dictionary. When he pulled up the definition in the dictionary, he decided to backpedal a little bit, dig his heels in, and attack straw man arguments that I never made. Of course, the definition proved me to be right. And on pointing that out, he began to screech, and accuse me of disrespecting him as a programmer.

He told me that it was offensive to tell programmers that their work was copied. How he got that out of "Programmers use systems that are already in place, like operating systems and programs, to create and develop more programs and systems, defining them as IT specialists," I have no idea. But it grabbed the attention of the nearest megalomaniac douchebag, who created a semantics argument so vague and confusing, that I simply had to put on my headphones and ignore them.

Am I just a lazy fuckwit who's been living under a rock all this time? Or is programming a fucking IT job?

[Pergamos]

it only matters if IT jobs are treated differently than non IT jobs in some way, and if so which of those ways programmers should be treated.  Otherwise it is a completely meaningless distinction.

Also, most of a programmers work is copied, if she is any good at her job, but knowing where to find what she needs to copy is a big part of why she is good at it.

[The Wizard Joseph]

When someone who is removed from the kind of violence being talked about talks about things like how nice of a turn of phrase "putting some English on it" it's chilling.

I have an upsetting, very icy side. I chose not to enter the military because of it in part. For me the choice to abandon violence, and coercion through it's threat, was an acknowledgement of a potentially dangerous part of my nature that I dare not abrogate responsibility for. It was a spiritual choice, tale forthcoming.

I may not be so removed from what I described as you may think. If I understand what you said that would be even less comfortable in that light. I am not an ignorant civilian glibly making a joke out of that ignorance, but a frighteningly aware one with an often broken sense of humor. I try very hard to be a good person and have many healthy outlets for the vicious aspects of myself, but that only became possible because I chose, and continually Strive, to be what I am.

All that sounds super edgelord.

Yeah. Big difference is that an edgelord or whatever needs a fantasy and so becomes a twat telling folks the tale ad nauseum to reinforce it over and over. I'll tell my story and be done. If your comments hadn't provoked in me a need to tell it, or I didn't have respect for you or for the folks here, it wouldn't get told at all.

[Eater of Clowns]

Oh shit, I am definitely drunk.  Please disregard anything posted in, lets say, the last hour from this post and the next 3 hours, unless it seems like it actually makes sense.

Can't say I blame you.

On a personal note, I apologize for making dumb jokes on your facebook Brexit threads. That shit is terrifying and sad.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Is he thinking career, or doing his four years and out?

Naw, they bored him.  His 5 year term ends this fall.

[Don Coyote]

Is he thinking career, or doing his four years and out?

Naw, they bored him.  His 5 year term ends this fall.

Why does that make me feel old. I could have sworn he just enlisted.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Is he thinking career, or doing his four years and out?

Naw, they bored him.  His 5 year term ends this fall.

Why does that make me feel old. I could have sworn he just enlisted.

Isn't it appalling?

[Cain]

Oh shit, I am definitely drunk.  Please disregard anything posted in, lets say, the last hour from this post and the next 3 hours, unless it seems like it actually makes sense.

Can't say I blame you.

On a personal note, I apologize for making dumb jokes on your facebook Brexit threads. That shit is terrifying and sad.

It's fine.  I mean, what else can you do?  The people have spoken, and what they have said is "derp".  Quickly followed by "oh shit, I didn't think my vote counted."

So right now, there's not much else to do about it, except joke, watch the news and drink heavily. 

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Had a coworker argue with me to the end of the Earth, today, that programming, web development/design, and other obviously IT fields "aren't IT jobs" because they aren't in networking/communications. He had somehow come to the conclusion that his 2 years of college trumped the dictionary definition of the word.

I advised him that one didn't need a college education to read the dictionary. When he pulled up the definition in the dictionary, he decided to backpedal a little bit, dig his heels in, and attack straw man arguments that I never made. Of course, the definition proved me to be right. And on pointing that out, he began to screech, and accuse me of disrespecting him as a programmer.

He told me that it was offensive to tell programmers that their work was copied. How he got that out of "Programmers use systems that are already in place, like operating systems and programs, to create and develop more programs and systems, defining them as IT specialists," I have no idea. But it grabbed the attention of the nearest megalomaniac douchebag, who created a semantics argument so vague and confusing, that I simply had to put on my headphones and ignore them.

Am I just a lazy fuckwit who's been living under a rock all this time? Or is programming a fucking IT job?

I have no idea.  Try calling him a "script-kiddie" next time and see how he reacts.  Perhaps that's the designation he's resisting?

[Suu]

One of my job applications for adjunct faculty was upgraded from "in progress" to "under review by HR." Not that this means anything because I know most of these systems are automated, but it's nice to know that my application made the initial screening process at this particular college.  I suppose that in the coming weeks I should come up with a few sample syllabi just in case.

[Suu]

I am now trolling the piss out of some crazy bitch in Florida who is terrified of chemicals by telling her about the occurrence of dodecarbonate in all oils, and how lauric acid dodecarbonate, which is a prime component of coconut oil, is also present in cheap shampoo and has been infecting her cells since conception.

Fucking oil pullers, telling me I don't know chemistry, when CARBON 12 IS PRESENT IN EVERYTHING.

[Template]

I am now trolling the piss out of some crazy bitch in Florida who is terrified of chemicals by telling her about the occurrence of dodecarbonate in all oils, and how lauric acid dodecarbonate, which is a prime component of coconut oil, is also present in cheap shampoo and has been infecting her cells since conception.

Fucking oil pullers, telling me I don't know chemistry, when CARBON 12 IS PRESENT IN EVERYTHING.

What's an oil puller there?
Are you sure you have those systematic names right? I see wikipedia says lauric acid = dodecanoic acid. Carbon-12 is also the most abundant isotope of carbon, though, so I can't really be sure what you're saying here.

[LMNO]

Oil puller = olive oil mouthwash.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I am now trolling the piss out of some crazy bitch in Florida who is terrified of chemicals by telling her about the occurrence of dodecarbonate in all oils, and how lauric acid dodecarbonate, which is a prime component of coconut oil, is also present in cheap shampoo and has been infecting her cells since conception.

Fucking oil pullers, telling me I don't know chemistry, when CARBON 12 IS PRESENT IN EVERYTHING.

What's an oil puller there?
Are you sure you have those systematic names right? I see wikipedia says lauric acid = dodecanoic acid. Carbon-12 is also the most abundant isotope of carbon, though, so I can't really be sure what you're saying here.

It's like a fucking clown car up in this bitch, full of pedantic clowns with no social filter, fucking the joke with a saggy banana while the clown car catches fire because it's electric.

[PoFP]

Had a coworker argue with me to the end of the Earth, today, that programming, web development/design, and other obviously IT fields "aren't IT jobs" because they aren't in networking/communications. He had somehow come to the conclusion that his 2 years of college trumped the dictionary definition of the word.

I advised him that one didn't need a college education to read the dictionary. When he pulled up the definition in the dictionary, he decided to backpedal a little bit, dig his heels in, and attack straw man arguments that I never made. Of course, the definition proved me to be right. And on pointing that out, he began to screech, and accuse me of disrespecting him as a programmer.

He told me that it was offensive to tell programmers that their work was copied. How he got that out of "Programmers use systems that are already in place, like operating systems and programs, to create and develop more programs and systems, defining them as IT specialists," I have no idea. But it grabbed the attention of the nearest megalomaniac douchebag, who created a semantics argument so vague and confusing, that I simply had to put on my headphones and ignore them.

Am I just a lazy fuckwit who's been living under a rock all this time? Or is programming a fucking IT job?

I have no idea.  Try calling him a "script-kiddie" next time and see how he reacts.  Perhaps that's the designation he's resisting?

He's just a pedantic, special snowflake little bitch. He wanted to seem cool by claiming his field wasn't an IT job, "contrary to popular belief."

The thing is, he's not a script kiddie, and otherwise, he's very intelligent. His ego just blinds him sometimes, and it makes him insufferable.

it only matters if IT jobs are treated differently than non IT jobs in some way, and if so which of those ways programmers should be treated.  Otherwise it is a completely meaningless distinction.

Also, most of a programmers work is copied, if she is any good at her job, but knowing where to find what she needs to copy is a big part of why she is good at it.

I agree, it would be a useless distinction, if there was one. And yes, programmers do use libraries and modules created by others, and even chunks of code if they're feeling lazy or don't want to reinvent the wheel. The funny thing is, he's told me that before, using almost the same words you did.

He'll just say anything he needs to if he feels like his intelligence is being questioned. It probably didn't help that when I laughed in his face at what he said. That's not very cool