A challenge for all Bush-Haters

[agent compassion]

Is this forum full of Bush-lovers? Bring them hither!

Not even close - why, are you hungry?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So far the Bush administration has kept its hands off of that issue, and I attribute that mostly to the fact that they have no solid ties to the big media companies.

Of course it sucks if you are a Muslim or decided to flirt with Islamic extremists, but I am neither and let's face it... Bush has done more for worldwide chaos than any president since the last one.
   

As for a solution, I really can't think of any. Bush has done... things.

1.  WTF?  Clearchannel, much?

2.  And, of course, it's all about you.  Yep...we all know Cat Stevens is a terrorist.  CAT STEVENS, YUO WILL PAY FOR "MOONSHADOW"!!111  As far as Chaos, sure...but he stopped being funny about a year and a half ago.

3.  Charles Manson did things, too.  I guess it's just a matter of scale.

[Malaul]

I haven't seen any deep thoughts out of you, Sparky.

::snicker::

sparky

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I haven't seen any deep thoughts out of you, Sparky.

::snicker::

sparky

The Good Reverend is feeling a little nasty today.

I blame society.

[Society]

The Good Reverend is feeling a little nasty today.

I blame society.

I didn't do it.

[Eldora, Oracle of Alchemy]

I haven't seen any deep thoughts out of you, Sparky.

::snicker::

sparky

The Good Reverend is feeling a little nasty today.

I blame society.

That's why I am hiding behind the glass.  Nice to have you back, Rog.  I was going to after this guy, but I left him for you.

[Malaul]

I haven't seen any deep thoughts out of you, Sparky.

::snicker::

sparky

The Good Reverend is feeling a little nasty today.

I blame society.

lil?
today?


who you talkin to roger?
youre a lot nasty EVERYDAY

[Hoshiko]

Bush is no more connected to big business than Kerry. More accurately, they both are up to their necks in big business and special interests, just like all successful candidates. Bush has his favored industries and special groups, and Kerry has his. Both men are beholden,

and both men are tainted for it.

I agree, and if you read my post again you'll see that I was saying that both men are equally connected. The difference is that one is upholding the pretense of "for the people", and the other just doesn't care anymore.

As far as not serving the people, that's also incorrect. He is serving the interests of the religious right just fine. He's also serving the interests of investors and many other people who benefitted from his tax cuts. Now, is that the best course for the majority of the country? Maybe, maybe not... it depends on who you are and what you do.

No, he is not serving the interests of the religious right. That was part of his platform, but when you get right down to it what has he done to further their position, those majority of the religious right who are blue collar and loving Jesus? It's all about money for him, but he is clever and used the religious nature of this country against us. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with being Christian. I'm saying that any true Christian wouldn't have made the decisions he has. He's hiding behind a shield of Christianity while screwing them over as well as the rest of us.

He's not a Christian in the true sense of the word. That too is an illusion, and it's one the majority bought. They'll pay for it in time.

The nasty truth about Kerry is he would have done almost everything the same as Bush. I know it's disappointing, and I too am stuck without a representative just like all Democrats and Republicans who have an ounce of free-spirit.

I disagree, but that's nothing that either of us can really prove. I doubt Kerry would have made the same Supreme Court Appointment decisions, for example.

what is wrong is his attempts to use that religion as a basis for policy... such as the rediculous ban on gay marriage. Bush however is not Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell, though he is far too close to them for my comfort. This is one of my major problems with the man, as Christians do not bother me (I am one myself), but his flavor of Christianity is not my own and in any case his religion has no place is guiding policy.

Bingo. Now add in the fact that he's not really looking to ban gay marriage per se and we'll have a winner.

What, you thought he was serious about all of that religious stuff? No, he never wanted a gay marriage ban himself, he wanted the voters that did. He catered to the ultra right but he himself has no personal agendas beyond making money for him and his friends.

He's a party boy at heart playing the conservative, and playing it badly.

[Cain]

flirt with Islamic extremists

It wasnt flirting, we were just being friendly.

[East Coast Hustle]

North Korea's biggest problem is famine. I don't think bombs will solve that. Iran is moving in a democratic-theocratic direction all by itself, however slowly(if you ever met any Iranians you know they do things very leisurely), and lemme ask you something - if your neighbor was as nuts as Israel, wouldn't you want to have some "protection" as well?

both North korea and Iran's biggest problem is that THEY ARE DEVELOPING NUCLEAR WEAPONS. fuck their "people" and all that bullshit, their leaders would not hesitate to provide Hizbollah or some other like-minded group a nuclear weapon to detonate in the streets of a major american city...what if it was Portland? would you be so concerned about their famine and cultural mores then? of course not...it's unfortunate for the citizens of those countries that their respective leaders have put them as a whole in this position, but the truth is we should turn both countries into fucking glass parking lots before they try to do it to us...and as for your continued support of Kucinich, are you serious? would you really wanrt that man leading this country? I'm sure he's a nice guy who wants good things for people, but he's also a complete space-case...I'd love ot have him over for coffee and bonghits, but I'd vote for Bush over Kucinich 10 out of 10 times...your other points may have some merit, but as soon as you mention blissed-out hippie boy, the credibility goes out the window...he's just not a realistic option...now Sharpton, that's a man who'd get my vote every time...

[East Coast Hustle]

*stabs Hugh in order to put a stop to the by now utterly boring and predictable "discordian jihad" or whatever the fuck it is that means I have to wade through 86 threads worth of stupid crap every goddamn time Hugh decides he's had enough tequila to bother gracing us with his presence...*

*stops to appreciate the irony of Hugh turning into the ultimate "fluff poster" *

was I talking to you?

no need to check your cheat-sheet, brainiac...the answer is NO, I wasn't...



I haven't seen any deep thoughts out of you, Sparky.

[Scytano]

Agent Compassion--- I had a nice long reply that just got eaten...  In a nutshell I was disagreeing with the notion that only the rich benefitted from Bush's tax cuts, as I benefitted from them, and I am not rich. There are many people like me as well, and if Bush had screwed everyone so throughly he would not have gotten the votes he received. People heard that mantra from the left for months, looked at their own situation, and disagreed. Now, I am not about to argue that Bush has been good for the country on the whole, or that he didn't deserve to be cast out in 2004. My contention is that the other options simply weren't any better. I wish that wasn't true but that's the way it is.

Not even close - why, are you hungry?

it seems that every forum I go to there's no Bush sycophants. This has the unfortunate effect of painting my views as "right-wing." And I hate that. :P

1. WTF? Clearchannel, much?

No, not much actually. Clear Channel came in at #6 for donations to politicians and PACS for 2004 out of all media companies, with over $700,000.00--- 2/3 of that going to Republicans. Contrast that with the top two media donors, Time Warner and Viacom. Time Warner gave $2.2 million, 77% of which went to Democrats. Viacom gave $1.1 million, with 78% to Democrats. In fact, Clear Channel is the highest on the list that actually gave a clear donation advantage to Republicans. So, they DO have ties to CC, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the other side. The legislation also supports this. With the exception of Orrin Hatch, who is a recording "artist" himself, the Democrats have led the charge in favor of tighter copyright protection and cracking down on filesharing.

2. And, of course, it's all about you. Yep...we all know Cat Stevens is a terrorist. CAT STEVENS, YUO WILL PAY FOR "MOONSHADOW"!!111 As far as Chaos, sure...but he stopped being funny about a year and a half ago.

The Cat Stevens stuff was dumb, no argument there.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The Good Reverend is feeling a little nasty today.

I blame society.

I didn't do it.

Don't try to weasel out of it, mister!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

*stabs Hugh in order to put a stop to the by now utterly boring and predictable "discordian jihad" or whatever the fuck it is that means I have to wade through 86 threads worth of stupid crap every goddamn time Hugh decides he's had enough tequila to bother gracing us with his presence...*

*stops to appreciate the irony of Hugh turning into the ultimate "fluff poster" *

I haven't seen any deep thoughts out of you, Sparky.

was I talking to you?

no need to check your cheat-sheet, brainiac...the answer is NO, I wasn't...

Do I give a fuck?  

Nope.

I think the opinion of one who does nothing but heckle people who try to be creative (such as Hugh), while doing fuck-all himself, will not cause me to lose any sleep.

You, sir, are no different than the average music critic.  No talent,  so you poke holes in the works of others.

:yawn:

[The Good Reverend Roger]

No, not much actually. Clear Channel came in at #6 for donations to politicians and PACS for 2004 out of all media companies, with over $700,000.00--- 2/3 of that going to Republicans. Contrast that with the top two media donors, Time Warner and Viacom. Time Warner gave $2.2 million, 77% of which went to Democrats. Viacom gave $1.1 million, with 78% to Democrats. In fact, Clear Channel is the highest on the list that actually gave a clear donation advantage to Republicans. So, they DO have ties to CC, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the other side. The legislation also supports this. With the exception of Orrin Hatch, who is a recording "artist" himself, the Democrats have led the charge in favor of tighter copyright protection and cracking down on filesharing.

Two words:  Armstrong Williams.