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« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2005, 08:13:15 pm »
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I never said anything like that, did I?

and regarding Green Day, which is what we were originally debating, do you really think that Green Day is a force for social change?

 :lol:

anyway, I just think that music can do all that without being a background noise for somebody's preaching...I can write a guitar piece that will make you feel happy and content, one that will make you feel uncomfortable and paranoid, or one that will make you want to jump up and start burning this mother down...and that's all before I add any lyrics....and if I do add lyrics, it's gonna be because they were channeled into my brain, because they needed to go with a particular song, not because I'm trying to preach my views to an audience.

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1.  Actually, yes.  

let's look at that word again...musicians.

not preachers, not proselytizers, not barkers, criers, or any number of other similar professions...

musicians.

if you are a musician and it's not all about the music for you, WAYSA?


2.  I never said hey had be GOOD at it. Competence isn't the issue, here.

3.  So, your opinion is that every musician should have the same drive as you do?  Motivation should be restricted to art as a "pure" zen-like art form?  Should this extend to other arts, or is music somehow unique in this?
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« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2005, 09:11:30 pm »
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anyone who makes music and says they're doing it because they need to spread their message is full of shit and dangerously full of themselves.

Myself and everyone else I have ever known who are truly passionate about making music do it because they love making noise. I don't give a rat-fuck if the drunks in the crowd understand what I'm trying to say to them becuase half the time I don't even understand what I'm trying to say to them. but as long as I can get up on stage and rock out and make people move their heads and hips and feet and maybe make enough cake to pay some rent and buy some beer, it's all good.

I'll leave the proselytizing to Bono.

 8)


Actually, not a bad definition of art. I once heard a story about two guys
who met a famous poet at a party and told him they wanted to be poets.
The poet asked them why. The first guy said because he had a lot of
things to say. The second one said just because he liked to play with
words. The poet said the second one would be the poet. The first one
would be a critic.

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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2005, 09:12:37 pm »
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anyone who makes music and says they're doing it because they need to spread their message is full of shit and dangerously full of themselves.

Myself and everyone else I have ever known who are truly passionate about making music do it because they love making noise. I don't give a rat-fuck if the drunks in the crowd understand what I'm trying to say to them becuase half the time I don't even understand what I'm trying to say to them. but as long as I can get up on stage and rock out and make people move their heads and hips and feet and maybe make enough cake to pay some rent and buy some beer, it's all good.

I'll leave the proselytizing to Bono.

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Actually, not a bad definition of art. I once heard a story about two guys
who met a famous poet at a party and told him they wanted to be poets.
The poet asked them why. The first guy said because he had a lot of
things to say. The second one said just because he liked to play with
words. The poet said the second one would be the poet. The first one
would be a critic.


Naw.  The critic would be the guy that can't write, so makes his living slamming BOTH of the two you mentioned.

Artists that have nothing to say tend to bore me.  Compare Kipling vs Emily Dickenson, for example.  One wrote really cool shit about the social and military impact of England during the Victorian age, and the other played with words (but no matter how much she played with them, she still couldn't get "moon" and "orange" to rhyme).
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« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2005, 10:17:39 pm »
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Compare Kipling vs Emily Dickenson...


Quote from: Emily Dickinson

I reason, earth is short,
And anguish absolute,
And many hurt;
But what of that?

I reason, we could die:
The best vitality
Cannot excel decay;
But what of that?

I reason that in heaven
Somehow, it will be even,
Some new equation given;
But what of that?

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« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2005, 10:37:07 pm »
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« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2005, 11:28:34 pm »
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Compare Kipling vs Emily Dickenson...


Quote from: Emily Dickinson

I reason, earth is short,
And anguish absolute,
And many hurt;
But what of that?

I reason, we could die:
The best vitality
Cannot excel decay;
But what of that?

I reason that in heaven
Somehow, it will be even,
Some new equation given;
But what of that?


See?  Emily Dickenson is crap.

Worst rhyming scheme EVER!

Now, here's some good shit, and still amazing relevant, today:

é─˙Clearedé─¨, honourable gentlemen! Be thankful ité─˘s no more:é─ţ
The widowé─˘s curse is on your house, the dead are at your door.
On you the shame of open shame, on you from North to South
The hand of every honest man flat-heeled across your mouth.

é─˙Less black than we were paintedé─¨?é─ţFaith, no word of black was said;
The lightest touch was human blood, and that, you know, runs red.
Ité─˘s sticking to your fist to-day for all your sneer and scoff,
And by the Judgeé─˘s well-weighed word you cannot wipe it off.

Hold up those hands of innocenceé─ţgo, scare your sheep together,
The blundering, tripping tups that bleat behind the old bell-wether;
And if they snuff the taint and break to find another pen,
Tell them ité─˘s tar that glistens so, and daub them yours again!

é─˙The charge is oldé─¨?é─ţAs old as Cainé─ţas fresh as yesterday;
Old as the Ten Commandmentsé─ţhave ye talked those laws away?
If words are words, or death is death, or powder sends the ball,
You spoke the words that sped the shoté─ţthe curse be on you all.

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« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2005, 11:28:51 pm »
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Um, no, he proved my point.
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« Reply #52 on: May 31, 2005, 11:48:36 pm »
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3. So, your opinion is that every musician should have the same drive as you do? Motivation should be restricted to art as a "pure" zen-like art form? Should this extend to other arts, or is music somehow unique in this?


The only reason any one becomes a musician is to get laid or be popular... :twisted:

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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2005, 11:52:30 pm »
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3. So, your opinion is that every musician should have the same drive as you do? Motivation should be restricted to art as a "pure" zen-like art form? Should this extend to other arts, or is music somehow unique in this?


The only reason any one becomes a musician is to get laid or be popular... :twisted:


You are speaking for yourself, or all musicians?

Cause, somehow, I don't think symphony violinists have that many groupies.
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« Reply #54 on: June 01, 2005, 12:08:37 am »
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3. So, your opinion is that every musician should have the same drive as you do? Motivation should be restricted to art as a "pure" zen-like art form? Should this extend to other arts, or is music somehow unique in this?


The only reason any one becomes a musician is to get laid or be popular... :twisted:


You are speaking for yourself, or all musicians?

Cause, somehow, I don't think symphony violinists have that many groupies.


You would be surprised...All that stuff about band camp is mostly true...Just because symphony groupies may not be as sexy as band groupies doesn't make a difference. :wink:

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« Reply #55 on: June 01, 2005, 01:07:36 am »
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So, now we should hate them because they got a record contract?  Isn't that the whole point?


yes, it is the whole point and THAT'S the problem.

 8)


So, anyone who takes their message to the masses automatically invalidates that message?

I don't really want to launch into a 10-page lecture on how the music business works, so here's the cliff's notes version:

Most bands that are offered a recording contract with one of the big 5 (or even many of the "major indie" labels) are only allowed to keep their artistic freedom if their vision happens to coincide with what the label thinks will sell. If you sign a 5-album deal and your first album doesn't go multiplatinum, when you go into the studio to record your second album the label says "sound like this and sell more albums next time around or else." If you still don't produce the second time around, you most likely get dropped from the label and owe them the balance of what they spend on recording whatever you have put out so far, and god help you if you've already spent your advance. So in the context of popular music, yes, to a large extend your message is invalidated once you take it to that level of commercialization. that's why you see so many indie artists selling songs to use as commercials. If a band gets iPod to use a song in a commercial, the money that they get from that allows them to record on their own dime and not be forced to compromise their artistic vision.

plus, Green Day opened the door for Blink 182 and Good Charlotte, and that really is unforgivable.

 8)


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such a great song. tool are such fuckin sellouts, i want to have maynard's baby.
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« Reply #56 on: June 01, 2005, 03:10:41 am »
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3. So, your opinion is that every musician should have the same drive as you do? Motivation should be restricted to art as a "pure" zen-like art form? Should this extend to other arts, or is music somehow unique in this?


The only reason any one becomes a musician is to get laid or be popular... :twisted:


You are speaking for yourself, or all musicians?

Cause, somehow, I don't think symphony violinists have that many groupies.


You would be surprised...All that stuff about band camp is mostly true...Just because symphony groupies may not be as sexy as band groupies doesn't make a difference. :wink:


They let former band students breed?

That's ridiculous.  Never gonna happen.
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« Reply #57 on: June 01, 2005, 04:26:57 am »
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They let former band students breed?

That's ridiculous.  Never gonna happen.


I played the flute.  My sister played the clarinet. My brother played the coronet.  We have 4 kids between us.  My hubby played guitar, before the incident.

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« Reply #58 on: June 01, 2005, 08:35:38 am »
Wow El, thats like the first verse of a song =P
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« Reply #59 on: June 01, 2005, 08:37:19 am »
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Wow El, thats like the first verse of a song =P


A Merle Haggard song, maybe.  :lol:
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 "Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.